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    Right. Arms again

    Here are the Rules:

    1. Every "house", that is feudal chain, to have a Coat of Arms (as in KotR). For inspirations to Byzantine Arms go here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_heraldry, but feel free to go nuts. The only thing I ask is that it be kept reasonably simple.
    (I should add that the first one of the list below is intended as a house arms, so halving is still fine. I'd prefer that to be the extent of it though. Quartering if two of the quarters are the same. ie https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...gusEmperor.svg)

    2.1 Strators only use their House Arms

    2.2 Comes, Domestikos, Hypatos and Antypatos may make some additions to their House Arms

    2.3 Patrikos and Dux may halve or quarter their House Arms with a personal Arms, or make otherwise major additions.

    2.4 Megas Dux/Exarch, as well as Caesars and Basileoses may have their own personal Arms.

    2.5 The Chancellor is to get a special symbol added to his Arms.

    3. A character will not lose his arms if he goes down in rank.


    I reserve the right to add to these rules, ignore them and generally be a bastard at my discrepancy. I did not deny a single request in KotR, so feel free to try me, but in the interest of keeping it simple and keeping my free time, I may do so. But I won't bite anyone who asks.

    As I am sure has been noted I've doled out Arms to anyone who's cared to approach me so far, regardless of where they were on a feudal chain, so consider the code more like guidelines than actual rules.

    Now I remember failing miserably at doing this last time, but I will try to create a semblance of order in this thread:

    ARMS OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE
    (Imperial Arms, that is not Alexius Comnenus' personal Arms):
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    HOUSE/FACTION ARMS


    House of Asteri

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    House of Komnenodoukai

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    Order of St. John

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    House of the Tagamata

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    House of the Tepaki

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    PERSONAL ARMS

    Ioannis Kantakouzinos

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    Caesar Ioannis Komnenos

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    Hypatios Machonios

    Done all by himself!
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    Methodios Tagaris

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    Personal Arms of Aleksios

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    Kosmas Mavrozomis

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    Pavlos Chrysovergos

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    Apionnas Vringas



    Unclaimed Arms
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    Let's get started then
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    and here is my next customers'.

    Kagemusha is that as you wanted it?

    Images in 1st post

    Please note that as I understand it Kag doesn't want to create a house, but just wishes to reserve this as a personal arms, because it is that of his character's family. I'm happy to do arms whenever, really, but I'll give priority to ones being used. Seeing as this was my only request thus far (apart from the above) it didnt matter
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    Saruman the Wise Member deguerra's Avatar
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    Ok, so I made another one. Not claimed by anyone, I was just bored and fooling around with suns. Anyone wants it, they can claim it:

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    Quote Originally Posted by deguerra
    and here is my next customers'.

    Kagemusha is that as you wanted it?

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    Please note that as I understand it Kag doesn't want to create a house, but just wishes to reserve this as a personal arms, because it is that of his character's family. I'm happy to do arms whenever, really, but I'll give priority to ones being used. Seeing as this was my only request thus far (apart from the above) it didnt matter
    Thanks deguerra! Its exactly what i was loooking for, the arms of the Kantakouzinos family.
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    Hey guys, don't try to add these to your signature yet, they still need to be resized and .org backgrounded!
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    I learnt that the hard way!
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    Here you go:

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    Here is that of the Caesar:

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    I wonder, will PK use the white cross on a black background or let his imagination run riot...

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    deguerra, will you enhance the size of the one you made for me, so it could fit an sig?
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    Alright Deguerra, I could use your help.

    I need a House Coat. Basically think Templars but with a Orthodox and Byzantine flavor.

    Thanks!


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    Gladly. So I'm thinking cross on a shield, but a byzantine cross (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:PatriarchsCross.svg or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:C..._Church_01.svg) and a non-templar colour scheme so it doesnt become too similar. sound ok?
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    I like the first one.

    Maybe purple cross on white background.


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    I do like them nice and simple. This what you were looking for?

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    looks a bit...'hairdresser' if you know what I mean

    edit: oh so that's why they don't marry...
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    Absolutly perfect.

    I'll take the big one for the House thread and I'll need little ones for the members.

    Thanks!


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    ok. you sure the purple is dark enough for you? with the gloss effect, it came out very light. but whatever you want!
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    I think it works. If you think of anything else, I'm certainly open to ideas. But I like what you made despite EF's hairdresser comment.


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    PK, you've truly become "golden-mouthed"
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    if you're happy, I'm happy. Here's the signature version:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tristan de Castelreng
    PK, you've truly become "golden-mouthed"
    (well that's the idea!)

    And Deguerra, the little one works great.

    Would I be able to get the white background out from around the big one?


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    ? It has a white background for you? It doesnt for me I specifically .orgify the thumbnail backgrounds because those never worked, but the larger ones always seemed to de-background themselves automatically. but, sure, if yours is displaying a white one, i can .orgify that as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kagemusha
    deguerra, will you enhance the size of the one you made for me, so it could fit an sig?
    Not until you're Patrikos or higher! Says so in the first post

    That is unless you are planning to start a House with that CoAs...

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    does that do it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by deguerra
    ? It has a white background for you? It doesnt for me I specifically .orgify the thumbnail backgrounds because those never worked, but the larger ones always seemed to de-background themselves automatically. but, sure, if yours is displaying a white one, i can .orgify that as well.
    No for some reason it kept the white box for the big one.

    And EF, I just read your edit and you are a very dirty young man...

    *edit*

    Nevermind, I was writing that before I saw your last post.

    *edit 2*

    Yup, it works fine. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elite Ferret
    Not until you're Patrikos or higher! Says so in the first post

    That is unless you are planning to start a House with that CoAs...
    Its not that im putting it in a sig, or feel any hybris, just incase.
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    hey Kag, missed you there. Will you be joining a house? My original idea was that only certain ranks would get their own Arms? If you will be joining a house, I'd prefer it if you followed my dictatorial rules, but I won't force you. If you're not joining a house, I don't much care anyway.

    In any case, though, here it is:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Privateerkev
    No for some reason it kept the white box for the big one.

    And EF, I just read your edit and you are a very dirty young man...

    *edit*

    Nevermind, I was writing that before I saw your last post.

    *edit 2*

    Yup, it works fine. Thanks!
    all in good humour...hopefully

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    I've just realized that taken in the light of EF's hairdresser comment, "golden-mouthed" takes on a whole new (and very disturbing) meaning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deguerra
    hey Kag, missed you there. Will you be joining a house? My original idea was that only certain ranks would get their own Arms? If you will be joining a house, I'd prefer it if you followed my dictatorial rules, but I won't force you. If you're not joining a house, I don't much care anyway.

    In any case, though, here it is:

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    Maybe i will join a house, maybe i dont, lets see where the story carries my character. But i wonder as long as i have not pledged loyalty to any nobleman, is there are rule that forbids my character to carry his family arms?
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