Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia [Concluded]

Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

*Sarathos's vote for khaan is void because he forgot to unvote Caius

Whoops....

Vote:FactionHeir

Originally Posted by TinCow

On one side, I am saying that Ichigo is not a good lynch because his behavior is too reckless to be mafioso. On the other side, I am saying that we might want to get rid of him because his voting style is annoying. The first poses an actual argument and substantiates it with reasoning. The second is just flippant. Is that really so hard to see?

I don't see a link...

TC:

You seem like your too worried about what Sasaki thinks of your actions. If anything, arguing with him is bringing attention to yourself. He has basically been absent from this game but he seems fixated on you for some reason.

If your town, then just let it go. Help us find mafia regardless on whether you get lynched or not. You seem a little too preoccupied with your own survival for my taste.

Hmm.

I'd vote FH first. Maybe off TC tomorrow.

It's a combination of small things that have me on FH.

KK is being a bit odd. Stuck on lynching the lurkers.

We need to expand the discussion to include more players.

There are two mafia left as of now. The two different types of speech; with and without a broken nose. Mafia do retain physical characteristics in GH's games.

The mafia who killed me likely has a history of playing the game with me. I admit to often brutal kills as mafia - like knee capping and then lighting a person on fire. Seems more excessive than other kills in this game.

If Kommodus isn't WoG'd at the end of the round, more attention should be brought to bear on him. His program doesn't require a great deal of time to run, I think. Of course, he did pop in for a vote to save himself. Odd, since his most valuable asset to the town doesn't require he be alive. He is right that WoGs don't help the town.

I want to hear some more from CountArach. He was my mafia partner in a game where I light someone (Sasaki) on fire.

CR
PS - sorry for my absence, but several days ago I discovered you can instant-view all the seasons of The Office on Netflix, and I work during the day. I'll be back with a vengeance, though.

Originally Posted by Privateerkev

TC:

You seem like your too worried about what Sasaki thinks of your actions. If anything, arguing with him is bringing attention to yourself. He has basically been absent from this game but he seems fixated on you for some reason.

If your town, then just let it go. Help us find mafia regardless on whether you get lynched or not. You seem a little too preoccupied with your own survival for my taste.

That's actually what I'm trying to do. Sasaki's arguments have been very flimsy lately and my responses are designed to point that out. Aren't you curious why he has been riding me for most of the game without any substance to back himself up? In the beginning he claimed inactivity, but he has been posting very regularly lately. Whenever I respond, he posts right back just like clockwork. Obviously he's got the time to post, but he's not putting any effort in like he usually does. His excuse is now invalid, yet the behavior remains.

Neither FactionHeir nor TinCow were my choice this phase, because I didn't see either of them acting particularly suspiciously. Rather they seemed sorta helpful. But we're presented with an either-or choice to kill one, so we have to look closely, to get it as close to correct as we can:

Originally Posted by FactionHeir

I'm saying there is one between TC and Ichigo. Please do read my posts.

And as per nature of mafia games, whatever you do or say can (or rather will) be used against you.
Hypothetically:

I vote TinCow and argue that he is more mafia than I am: I am suspicious because I am distracting away from myself and voting the other tied guy.
I vote myself as proof of innocence: Can be construed as mafia tactic.
I don't vote at all: Trying to sit out until the last minute to make a deciding vote

Personally, I don't care if you vote me or not, but obviously anything I do or say (or for that matter TC does or says) won't change anything, because people will read things their own way and have their own ideas.

The above, FactionHeir, to be honest, does not sound like "you". I think this is the first time I've seen you be condescending ("Please do read my posts.") to another poster, and the first time I've seen you lecture the audience (of fellow mafia players, no less) on the nuances of the "damned if I do, damned if I don't dilemma" that we all commonly face in these games of suspicion. With regret, but growing suspicion, I lean toward you because of this seemingly OOC display.

On the other hand, I have worked with TinCow before, when we tried to salvage a strategy in Capo II. From that experience (his first mafia, I think; my second) I learned that he has a native ability to compartmentalize roles as well as Sasaki Kojiro does. Translation: he can lie through his (digital) teeth with extreme effectiveness. A valuable asset if he's on your side. A formidable weapon if he is against you.

So, although I point FoS: FactionHeir, I await more discussion, and postings by both FH & TC before deciding. Whattheheck; we have 22 more hours.

Grrr... Not really sure this is the choice I'd have wanted. Guess I didn't do enough analysis to help clarify a better choice.

Vote: Abstain

Originally Posted by TinCow

Aren't you curious why he has been riding me for most of the game without any substance to back himself up?

Yes I am...

He has really puzzled me this game. At first, I put it off to real-life busyness. But more and more I'm wondering if he "changed" his personality for this game. If this is true, the question is why?

He knows I played with him recently as mafia in Taormina so he knows I'm clued into how he operates. If he did change his behavior, would he do it if he was a townie? I suspect, that if he was a townie, he would just be his normal inquisitor self. So, my guess is that he is really busy, or he changed his "style" for a reason. This is all really flimsy. But I'm starting to get a bad feeling about him.

But that doesn't let you off the hook either. I can pretty much say the exact same stuff about you. But I doubt your both scum-buddies. He is pushing you way too hard for both of you to be mafia. The main reason your even on the chopping block is because he keeps pushing the issue.

So, I'm starting to suspect one of you is scum but I don't know which.

Vote: FactionHeir. For same reasons as earlier, in addition to his recent, and rather petulant, post.

Also, Fos: KukriKhan. You list a bunch of reasons why you are suspicious of FactionHeir, and yet won't vote for him? Curious, that be...

Originally Posted by FactionHeir

I'm saying there is one between TC and Ichigo. Please do read my posts.

Coincidences aren't fun.

Eeny, meeny, miny, moe
Catch a tincow by the toe
If he hollers let him go? No!

vote: Tincow

I think that TinCow was sitting on both sides of the fence with that post - trying to subtely point people to vote for Ichi, while simultaneously trying to claim he didn't want Ichi killed. Cunning.

Unvote: Whoever...
Vote: TinCow

Vote:Tincrow for reason's already given.

Originally Posted by TinCow

Are we reading the same post? This is what I am reading:

Originally Posted by TinCow

Ichigo's meatballing is annoying and nonsensical, but it's so bound to attract attention that I think it's unlikely to be mafioso behavior. Too easy to get lynched with that kind of voting, he would be more careful. Then again, he may be a worthy lynch just because it's irritating

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On one side, I am saying that Ichigo is not a good lynch because his behavior is too reckless to be mafioso. On the other side, I am saying that we might want to get rid of him because his voting style is annoying. The first poses an actual argument and substantiates it with reasoning. The second is just flippant. Is that really so hard to see?

The problem with that particular post is that you do not take a position towards Ichigo. Basically, you are saying : "we don't have to lynch him, but then again, maybe we should lynch him."

This kind of avoiding to take a position, as if you are avoiding to step on someone's toes, is typical mafia behaviour

Originally Posted by KukriKhan

The above, FactionHeir, to be honest, does not sound like "you". I think this is the first time I've seen you be condescending ("Please do read my posts.") to another poster, and the first time I've seen you lecture the audience (of fellow mafia players, no less) on the nuances of the "damned if I do, damned if I don't dilemma" that we all commonly face in these games of suspicion. With regret, but growing suspicion, I lean toward you because of this seemingly OOC display.

On the other hand, I have worked with TinCow before, when we tried to salvage a strategy in Capo II. From that experience (his first mafia, I think; my second) I learned that he has a native ability to compartmentalize roles as well as Sasaki Kojiro does. Translation: he can lie through his (digital) teeth with extreme effectiveness. A valuable asset if he's on your side. A formidable weapon if he is against you.

I admit I forgot the smiley that I usually put after such sentences to clarify that I was not meaning to be offensive. However, from my personal point of view, mafia games are OOC unless it is a RP style mafia, which this one IMHO is not, so I will use OOC reasoning when writing.
As for the dilemma, I was trying to convey to Gaius that voting based on feelings and damned if you do/don't isn't really helpful for discussion if now you have the time to pressure both and really find stuff out about us.

Note to self: Use more smileys in mafia games.

Originally Posted by TinCow

Note to self: Use more smileys in mafia games.

The Bandwagon one works particularly well if disco is playing.

Originally Posted by CountArach

The Bandwagon one works particularly well if disco is playing.

Grrr. I dunno who to vote here. TC is very good at manipulating opinion, he seems a bit off it currently though. Factionheir I did have some "bad vibes" about him before, but again I'm unsure. Neither seems the best target. More deliberation required.

Oh and FOS: makaikhaan and Sigurd.

Originally Posted by Rythmic

Oh and FOS: makaikhaan and Sigurd.

The game is up....

Vote: FactionHeir

Originally Posted by Quintus.J.Cicero

The game is up....

Vote: FactionHeir

Could you please explain why you are voting for him?

Almost forgot...

Vote: FactionHeir

Here is a tally:

FactionHeir: 5 (Gaius Scribonius Curio, Sarathos, makaikhaan, Quintus.J.Cicero, TinCow)

Tincow: 4 (FactionHeir, Sigurd Fafnesbane, CountArach, discovery1)


Abstain: 1 (Seamus Fermanagh)

For abstains, I'm just counting those who actually vote "abstain".

And TC, did you have any reason for breaking that tie just now other than saving yourself?

Vote:TinCow

Either way I expect this will have been a fruitful round.

I'm sorry, I been a bit busy in RL (goes in cycles ) and I like to commit seppku here, won't be fair if I vote, and not post anything good.

Guys, as I said I think you now all have the perfect opportunity to question us and find the best lynchee for today.
Rather than voting without giving reasons, actually talk!

Ask me anything, I have nothing to hide. I would like to think that the same applies to TC.

If you were really a townie, you wouldn't worry about it so much.

I am not worrying about it at all. I just want the town to have to opportunity (which you now have) to question both of us. Why so hostile though? Is that a bad thing?

Originally Posted by |Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88

I'm sorry, I been a bit busy in RL (goes in cycles ) and I like to commit seppku here, won't be fair if I vote, and not post anything good.

Understood.

So far we're looking at 6 kills today - 4 WoGs, the seppuku, and the lynch of course.

I don't see myself as being hostile. I just see you and TC as acting "funny". Such an opinion is highly subjective of course but it's not like I have other stuff to go on. So, I say lynch one of you this turn and the other next turn. Unless we get new information.

If your both really townies, then hopefully you'll both stick around while dead and help us out. Since townies win whether dead or alive, it shouldn't really matter right now if you get lynched.

In my opinion, your both trying too hard to stay alive.

Case against FH:

Change of behaviour

Case against TC:

Suspicious comments



FH I think is innocent because he changed his style in this game and the lawyers one, so unless he is mafia is both... I think he is just a townie.

I don't think TC is guilty is either... since I need to pick one of them... I can only Vote: TinCow