The Magnaura

**Ibn-Khaldun** · 07-16-2008, 16:42

Efstathios blushed and says..

"I was not yelling. I was .. just .. coughing my throat .. there was something in it .. Yes .. that was it!"

Efstathios blushed even more ..

**Ramses II CP** · 07-16-2008, 18:57

Vissarionas has returned to the Senate floor in time to hear much of the debate which is ongoing. When Efstathios volunteers to join the Crusade Vissa's face breaks into an open smile.

Well met my good man, and pleasure to hear your vow! I will be sailing in as much haste as possible, but rest assured that I will be open to coordinating our actions.

As for Cairo, I would honestly have said during my time there that even the Caliph was a man of peace and tolerance, but something must have brought about a change. The Christian quarter of Cairo was thriving, and other than matters of political power there was no discrimination to speak of in the city. The Muslims hold firm a prohibition on alcohol which I found to improve the general conditions in the city, though there were certain over-looked exceptions.

The people of Cairo are friendly and prosperous, the streets are of excellent quality, and trade of every imaginable sort passes through there. If I were forced to live among infidels I know of no better place to do so than Cairo.

Though it is not needed, I will second edict 3.1 as well, in the spirit of the Crusade!

Vissarionas sits down at the Order's table, quietly contemplative.

**Dafuge** · 07-16-2008, 19:05

Stavrar walks into the Senate floor, and hears murmerings of the Edict 1.3. He hears enogh of it to form a brief idea of what it is about. Hearing that fellow Order member have seconded he makes his decision.

I also will second Edict 1.3

I also will join the Crusaders and will sail to the Holy Lands.

**Ibn-Khaldun** · 07-16-2008, 20:34

Efstathios sighs..

If this is true, then I hope that the city will not have the same destiny as Antioch had after it was captured.

He looks towards the Order's table..

But that is another story.

Turning to Stavrar he says..

It is Edict 3.1 actually we are talking about.

Saying this Efstathios smiles..

**Dafuge** · 07-16-2008, 20:44

How could you say such a thing. The capture of Antioch was a simple mistake by our armies. They got ontop of themselves after the defeat and killed many, yes. But do not even dare think for how the Order remorsed. I moved into Antioch just after it had been taken and I know how the Order wept. Vissa even went into Egypt to search for redemption.

Blushes at his outburst but mainly at the fact how he managed to get his first vote wrong

**Privateerkev** · 07-16-2008, 20:54

At the mention of Antioch, Makedonios raises.

Strator Efstathios,

If you wish to say something about Antioch, you can say it to me. The rest of the Order had nothing to do with it. I was the commander and therefore I am responsible.

We have done our best to repent and repay the people of that city. An Orthodox abbey now sits in the city and priests are preaching the Word. A school has been set up for the orphans and I have personally met with each and every family to educate them on the city services they are entitled to.

We can not take back that terrible day. But we can move forward, do good works, and ask for the Lord's forgiveness.

Also, if we will insist on discussing the sacking of Antioch, it would be neglectful to ignore that two people from your own House have exterminated whole settlements.

While that does not in any way excuse or condone what happened at Antioch, it would put things in a bit of perspective.

**Ferret** · 07-16-2008, 21:11

Hypatios rises swiftly.

This is a lie, only Belgrade was exterminated and that was at the breach of an order, by a man who has not contacted the house for the entire past term and never really had any contact in the first place. He is only an official member due to a friendship with our past leader, his actions do not represent the Asteri as a whole. Check your sources before making accusations boy.

And besides, what does the past matter, we all make mistakes and yours is perfectly excusable, let us forget this and move on rather than insult each other.

**Ibn-Khaldun** · 07-16-2008, 21:24

If I have offended you or the Order then I deeply apologize.
No matter how good commander you are there are still moments where your men start thinking for themselves and do despicable things.
I do not blame you, Grandmaster, for what happened there. What I meant was that those men who join the crusade, commoners and the like, will not lose control over themselves and do not punish the people for the deeds of their Caliph.
I am sorry for bringing some painful old things back up.

Efstathios makes a pause...

But perhaps we should talk about something different. Like the current state of Empire?