The Magnaura

**Ibn-Khaldun** · 10-24-2008, 16:20

It is weird that Ioannis' closest supporter, Vringas, haven't joined the Basileus' side. Also, Savvas, you say that you support the Basileus and all that. Yet you haven't answered the *Basileus' call to take up arms and go against that 'Great Criminal and Traitor'. Are you two too afraid of Methodios? Yes, this probably it!

**Dafuge** · 10-24-2008, 16:35

Senators, to my great dissatifaction between loyalty to my house and my lord I have chosen my house. I have broken my oath to Methodios and swore a new one to Nikolas.

**ULC** · 10-24-2008, 17:10

Nikolaos turns to Savvas. "Deeply disappointed in a man who has a heart? Dear Savvas, you have none? If we all wanted to base our actions on cold logic, one would assume it would be easy enough to simply walk over to a senator and kill them if they disagreed with you, because not only does that eliminate the opposition, but it wastes nothing: no others have to die, no money need be wasted, and no time be lost in logistics or marching armies. That is the cold logic you presume to use. And on such a note, why not have a duel simply between Methodios and the Basileus? No need to involve the entire empire, let the personal insults defuse themselves in a personal battle."

Nikolaos leans back in his chair.

"That of course is using cold logic, as you propose. Rather though, I see few except people such a Isaakios or Tiverios, are using anything but some form of logic. Each person is biased one way or the other, through the corruption of power or personal experience to one man or the other. Bias is created through the forges of personal loyalty and emotion, and bias has nothing to do with ones duty Savvas.

Nikolaos nods to Tiverios

"I wholeheartedly support your plan Tiverios. My troops and my money will only be spent with war with Venice, nothing else. It is what this august body passed, and it should be done. This august body never asked for war betwixt two men of considerable prestige and character, and nor should it fund it. It wold be an insult to this august body in my eyes to do so, to have the money diverted to shed roman blood, blood it was erected to protect, instead of using Imperial funds as this body has directed."

**AussieGiant** · 10-24-2008, 17:47

I'm at a loss to see where my comments have been biased?

If anyone wishes to refute my comments as they relate to the law of this land and might I add generations of Jurisprudence then please go ahead.

The law is and was quite clear on the matter. While I agree that my delivery has been subjective it is ONLY those that ARE biased that could disagree with my stance on the matter. My subjectivity is designed to improve comprehension of the law. That is all.

If you are 'objective' in this matter then it is as 'clear' as case as it could ever be.

**ULC** · 10-24-2008, 18:01

Originally Posted by AussieGiant

I'm at a loss to see where my comments have been biased?

If anyone wishes to refute my comments as they relate to the law of this land and might I add generations of Jurisprudence then please go ahead.

The law is and was quite clear on the matter. While I agree that my delivery has been subjective it is ONLY those that ARE biased that could disagree with my stance on the matter.

If you are objective on this matter then it is as clear as it could ever be.

Apionnas, I never said you were not being logical about this, and I am sorry for not including you among them. This matter, although based in law, has quickly turned into a matter of personal feelings rather then an actual discussion on law. True, it was in within the Basileus right to propose such a union, but even when others tried to find away to at least appease both parties, things quickly turned ugly, as such things will. We are human after all, not mindless, heartless golems, and as such, in an argument like this, personal feelings will invariably come into play, politics, duty, and law be damned.

To say that this is merely about law would indicate that Methodios has no love for his daughter, and to say this is merely about love would be to say the Basileus lacks knowledge of the heart. I am sure no man would say either of these things. And in such matters of the heart, is it not true that it is God the almighty himself who says we should learn to love our enemies just as much as we love our allies?

**Andres** · 10-24-2008, 19:16

Oh, come on Nikolaos Aristenos, enough nonsense already.

This has nothing to do with love or other emotions.

Methodios violated the Charter.

Originally Posted by The Charter

Basileus:
(...)
Powers:
(...)
(10) Decides which Senator, if any, a Princess should marry.

The very Charter our Empire is founded upon. Such an act equals a declaration of war.

As I said: you want love? Become a peasant.

**ULC** · 10-24-2008, 19:31

Originally Posted by Andres

Oh, come on Nikolaos Aristenos, enough nonsense already.

This has nothing to do with love or other emotions.

Methodios violated the Charter.

The very Charter our Empire is founded upon. Such an act equals a declaration of war.

As I said: you want love? Become a peasant.

It has everything to do with love and emotions Savvas, or are you just being intentionally blind? Or is it that your hypocritical, and wish us not to see the fact that it is only the Basileus Ioannis Komnenos who may violate the charter, as he did so many years ago. He managed to escape unscathed from mistreating an entire House, but when Methodios violates a small section for his daughter it's an uproar. And if my memory serves me correctly, was it not the Caesar who declared a war on the Order because they displeased him? He dragged his entire House unwillingly into it as well. Methodios has done what he can to insure that no one else has been hurt by this, and yet he must absolutely be Satan himself because he defies the will of the Basileus in the name of love.