U.S. Elections 2008: General Elections -- Analysis and Commentary

[Tribesman]

Only McCain has stated that he would balance the federal budget his first year office.

Yet studies of his proposed budgetry policies say that he will increase the defecit by 50% , so either he is going to abandon his financial policies or he is lying about balancing the budget .

[Crazed Rabbit]

Well, to sum up my reasons for not wanting Obama to win:
Giving the democrats control of Congress and the White House, with an ego to go along with it.

They can then pass their fairness doctrine to allow government some more control over free speech.

They can pass the Union handout act, or whatever the bill that lets Unions get recognition through pledge cards, removing the ability of companies to request a secret ballot.

Then they're Obama's radical friends, which suggests that he too likely will be the most leftist candidate ever elected (in addition to the policies he's espoused).

In accordance with that, his plans to increase an assortment of taxes will decrease US competitiveness as Europe is in competition to have the lowest corporate tax rate. Obama backers seem blissfully unaware of this.

He's also going to put the economy in serious pain with the cap and trade scheme for carbon dioxide that will greatly increase the burden on businesses and increase the prices of most goods, and which will also create bigger government to administer the scheme (Think a bit about how the government will decide how many carbon credits to award each industry or company - can you say 'corruption'?).

And then there's the vast government spending increases he wants, like for the 'civilian national security force'.

And the fact that Obama is going to be terrible at foreign policy at least initially, just like Kennedy.

But like Seamus mentioned earlier, the worst part will be the increase in government spending and the move towards a more socialistic country - moves that will be very hard to undo, and that will result in less economic and personal freedom.

CR

[m52nickerson]

The single biggest reason reason Obama and the democrats should win:

The Republicans took the helm of a country that was doing just fine. They managed to turn it and point it just about straight down. It the Democrats turn to right the ship.

[Crazed Rabbit]

The Democrats have had control of Congress for two years. They could've ended the war, not voted for the wiretapping bill, etc. Remember that list of things they said they would do? When are they going to take responsibility?

CR

[Xiahou]

I know I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm predicting an Obama win. According to my informal analysis, if either Ohio or Florida goes to Obama, you can go to bed early and be assured of Obama's win. OTOH, the only way I can see McCain winning is if he steals Pennsylvania from Obama and even if he did manage to win the electoral vote (and the presidency) he'd still lose the popular vote by a good bit.

If Obama wins, I also hope Democrats get a filibuster-proof senate majority. Then they won't be able to cry about the bad ole Republicans anymore and will only have themselves to blame for their screwups and failed policies.

[Hooahguy]

ya, seriously. the dems talk about change? why dont they start with themselves in congress?

[Strike For The South]

I think Dole has the gumption to pull this out. Clinton isnt that great.

[PBI]

In light of the imminent closure, may I echo Banquo's sentiments in saying how enjoyable it has been to read this thread, even if as a neutral I contributed only occasionally. If uninformed voters and petty namecalling are an argument against democracy, then this thread must surely be seen as a powerful argument in favour. I wish our American members the best of luck in choosing the right candidate, whichever one that may turn out to be.

[Crazed Rabbit]

I voted for Baldwin.

And Xiahou, even if dems got 60+ in the Senate, they'd still blame all the bad things on the 'legacy' of Bush's policies. They'll weasel out of any and all responsibility.

CR

[Hooahguy]

well, since this is about to be closed anyhow, ill state my predictions:
i think Xiahou is right. obama will probably win.
but if mccain does, it will be by a very slim margin.

even though i dont like obama, i wish him the best if he wins, because ultimately, what is good for him is usually good for the country.

[Koga No Goshi]

The Democrats have had control of Congress for two years. They could've ended the war, not voted for the wiretapping bill, etc. Remember that list of things they said they would do? When are they going to take responsibility?

CR

About the same time the Bush Admin and all the Rubberstamp Republican congressmembers take responsibility for creating all this awful legislation. ;)

And Xiahou, even if dems got 60+ in the Senate, they'd still blame all the bad things on the 'legacy' of Bush's policies. They'll weasel out of any and all responsibility.

That's great, from someone who blames all the good on former Republican policies, and all the bad on former Dem ones.

Recession? Clinton's fault. Terrorism? Clinton dropped the ball. Had nothing to do with the simian in the White House who ignored warnings and felt leadership was best provided from vacation in Crawford.

[CountArach]

Thanks for the joy-ride this thread and the preceding threads have been - it has been great to hear this amount of passion in the voice of the people. Just remember:

Vox populi, vox dei

[seireikhaan]

The Democrats have had control of Congress for two years. They could've ended the war, not voted for the wiretapping bill, etc. Remember that list of things they said they would do? When are they going to take responsibility?

CR

I wish I had Adrian's laughing smilie on hand; that, methinks, would be an adequate representation of how I'm feeling.

When will Dem's take responsibility? You being serious? As though the Dem's are the only one to fail on that account? How about Republicans for controlling Congress the last 14 years before that? Oh, wait, I forgot, that's becuase nasty Bill blocked all the good they were going to do.

Face it, CR, NOBODY had taken responsibility for ANYTHING. Don't even dare try to act as though the whole system hasn't gotten beyond saving, or that the Dems are the only ones at fault. To say so is utterly false. Let the Dems have their chance, they'll probably it up, Republicans will be put back in, they'll probably it up, and our loverly cycle of democracy will continue spinning. But maybe, just maybe, at some point, one of the "sides" will get it right, even if only for a few years. What American politics needs is parliamentiarism, so we can put our two-party farce to an end, and give better, more realistic representation of the views of the populace to work.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Thanks to all contributors for a most informative and lively thread.

May the best man win. Or even McCain. Either way, my best wishes for America for the coming four years.

~+~+~+~<>~<*>~<>~+~+~+~

"The President has kept all the promises he intended to keep."
Clinton aide George Stephanopolous.

"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it."
Dan Quayle

"I haven't committed a crime. What I did was fail to comply with the law."
David Dinkins, New York City Mayor.

"Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country."
Mayor Marion Barry, Washington, DC.

"I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers. We are the president."
Hillary Clinton.

[Strike For The South]

Thanks to all contributors for a most informative and lively thread.

May the best man win. Or even McCain. Either way, my best wishes for America for the coming four years.

~+~+~+~<>~<*>~<>~+~+~+~

"The President has kept all the promises he intended to keep."
Clinton aide George Stephanopolous.

"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it."
Dan Quayle

"I haven't committed a crime. What I did was fail to comply with the law."
David Dinkins, New York City Mayor.

"Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country."
Mayor Marion Barry, Washington, DC.

"I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers. We are the president."
Hillary Clinton.

[CountArach]

lol Louis, great post my man

[Devastatin Dave]

The reason why Obama will win...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

[Hooahguy]

well, anyhow, im not going to visit this forum or any political area or turn on the radio or anthing until wensday morning. i dont want the stress of worrying about the election.
i may check this forum tomorrow morning, before voting, but after that, so long, until wensday morning!
may the best candidate win!

[Strike For The South]

The reason why BHO the Messiah will win...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI
I guess the silver lining in this is I won't have to support her or her uneducated daughters ass anymore because I'll be in the soup line with them (I wonder if they know who daddy be). With BHO wanting to cut 10% of defense contractors and his gay buddy Barney "My Boyfriend ran a brothel in my house" Frank wanting to cut 25% of the military budget, my life's work will go belly up. Oh well, a steady diet of colt 45 and KFC should do the trick to numb the pain.

A Republic dies from within from parasites that basically feed off those that produce. Eventually they kill off the producers and you have nothing left but parasites. Shall we listen as Obama plays his fiddle while we burn? No wonder the world has such a passion for him.

Those are the kind of people Im going to sell faulty products to

[Crazed Rabbit]

Those are the kind of people Im going to sell faulty products to

LOL!

And great post Louis.

EDIT - Thinking about it, it really is sad Obama's grandmother won't live to see her grandson win.

CR

[LittleGrizzly]

Well everyone keeps predicting an Obama win but i don't want to get my hopes up...

I think an Obama presidency will be a breath of relief after a bush admin, spending is going to be pretty damn tight after what the republicans left him with, so Obama will have to clean up that mess rather than on many new policys, but just a more thoughtful considered foriegn policy would be a start, and just a different attitude in general, things can only improve and i think obama will do a decent job of it.... if he wins.....

[KukriKhan]

My sincere thanks to all contributors.

This thread is officially closed.

Join me in a few hours here, in CountArach's thread..

Until then, dear posters and readers: sleep well. And prepare for tomorrow's battles.