Re: Chavez being Chavez
EXCUSE ME?! Now that has tyo be a bait, how you could get someones position so fundamentally WRONG, when they have been posting here since you started on these boards, AMAZES me. Supporting CCTV in Britain?! Safety over liberty?! YOUSorry, but that's ridiculous. Do you support the huge amount of CCTV's in Britain? You said you value safety over liberty, so don't pretend to be a staunch defender of civil rights.what?!
You don't even deserve the time it takes to post a response.
Last edited by Banquo's Ghost; 06-07-2008 at 21:28. Reason: Language
GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.
Jean Paul Sartre - No Exit 1944
Re: Chavez being Chavez
Someone didn't have their Wheaties this morning.Originally Posted by JAG
EXCUSE ME?! Now that has tyo be a bait, how you could get someones position so fundamentally WRONG, when they have been posting here since you started on these boards, AMAZES me. Supporting CCTV in Britain?! Safety over liberty?! YOU
You don't even deserve the time it takes to post a response.
Last edited by Banquo's Ghost; 06-07-2008 at 21:28. Reason: Edited quote
Re: Chavez being Chavez
Oh my.
Guess I touched a nerve. As for safety over liberty, just read your posts in the thread/poll on whether safety or liberty is more important. You were arguing that having laws forcing us to wear seat belts makes us freer.
CR
Ja Mata, Tosa.
The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the Crown. It may be frail; its roof may shake; the wind may blow through it; the storm may enter; the rain may enter; but the King of England cannot enter – all his force dares not cross the threshold of the ruined tenement! - William Pitt the Elder
Re: Chavez being Chavez
Yes. The real issues in this world. War, peace, hunger, nuclear weapons and seatbelt laws.
How can anyone care about seatbelt laws...?
Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban
Re: Chavez being Chavez
I thought the thread was about Chavez being well on the road to becoming (another) socialist dictator.
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”
To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.
"The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."
Re: Chavez being Chavez
Damn I thought this was gonna be about banning candidates from the election ....oh well
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Oh my God that was hilarious!
@ CR here - I specifically remember JAG saying that he wanted to tear up his Labour Party membership when Blair announced the CCTV cameras.
Rest in Peace TosaInu, the Org will be your legacy
Re: Chavez being Chavez
He didn't though, did he?
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”
To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.
"The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."
Re: Chavez being Chavez
No, I mollify my clear authoritarian leaning, big brother wanting, put-a-chip-in-every-person-at-birth-and-watch-them-whenever-they-move, anti-liberal ways by being a member of the most vehmently liberal pressure groups there are. I was a member of Liberty before I was a member of the Labour party and have actively supported it far more than the Labour party as a whole, likewise with Amnesty International. Other groups, such as those highlighting penal reform and also others tackling fascists. It is quite possible for me not to break with a party, in which I agree with the vast majority of the members on a vast majority of the issues, to support liberal issues.He didn't though, did he?
What annoyed me so much before, is that certain people here - including CR - do not want to listen to your views or take into account what you state you believe in, they simply have a narrow minded view of what I must believe and thus cannot understand how I can possibly be a liberal. I hope others understand that it is quite possible to believe that government is a vehicle for good and change for the better, without believing that CCTV's on every corner is a good thing, ID cards are a must and security stop and checks on people who have done nothing wrong are justified under any circumstance, when in reality they are not only fundamentally flawed but an outrageous and disgusting blot on what we call our free and democratic society. Funnily enough I seem to remember arguing these points not only more consistently than CR and his ilk but also often against them on these issues! The mind boggles - and that is why I was so pee'd off.
Last edited by JAG; 06-11-2008 at 10:55. Reason: adding in the quote
GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.
Jean Paul Sartre - No Exit 1944
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