What's wrong with Argeades family?

**Timoleon** · 06-02-2008, 17:42

They are all drunkards!
In my Makedonian campaign, all the family members (Antigonos, Alkyoneus, Krateros, Alexandros, Kalos) have the Hypermethyskos (=super drunkard) trait.

I know that Makedonias enjoyed a cup of wine, Philip II couldn't move from one table to the other when he drunk, Alexander the Great wasn't the best person to drink with (poor Black Cleitus!) but these guys conquered the world for God's sake!

Has something to do with the family? What exactly triggers this trait?

An even funnier thing is that Krateros and Kalos also have the "Occasional Drinker" trait! Isn't it contradicting?

**konny** · 06-02-2008, 18:12

Originally Posted by pcaravel

Has something to do with the family? What exactly triggers this trait?

Here you go (from the 1.0 file):

Code:

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Settlement_has_tavern_Makedonian
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition AgentType = family
          and FactionType macedon
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= tavern

    Affects MakedonianHypermethyskos  1  Chance  2

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Governor_builds_tavern_Makedonian_Drink
    WhenToTest GovernorBuildingCompleted

    Condition SettlementBuildingFinished >= tavern
          and FactionType macedon

    Affects MakedonianHypermethyskos  1  Chance  25
;------------------------------------------
Trigger Priest_of_Dionysos_has_been_acquired_Makedonia
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

    Condition FactionType macedon
          and Trait AcquirePriest_of_Dionysos > 0

    Affects Priest_of_DionysosAcquired  2  Chance  100
    Affects NumAncillariesAcquired  1  Chance  100
    Affects Pious  1  Chance  20
    Affects PublicFaith  1  Chance  40
    Affects ReligiousMania  1  Chance  10
    Affects MakedonianHypermethyskos  1  Chance  20

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Worshipper_of_DionysosMakedonia_builds_temple
    WhenToTest GovernorBuildingCompleted

    Condition Trait WorshipsDionysosMakedonia > 0
          and SettlementBuildingFinished >= temple_of_fun_shrine

    Affects Pious  1  Chance  10
    Affects PublicFaith  1  Chance  20
    Affects ReligiousMania  1  Chance  5
    Affects MakedonianHypermethyskos  1  Chance  20

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Worshipping_Dionysos_Makedonia_encourages_MakedonianHypermethyskos
     WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

     Condition Trait WorshipsDionysosMakedonia > 0
          and EndedInSettlement
          and SettlementBuildingExists >= temple_of_fun_shrine

    Affects Pious  1  Chance  1
    Affects PublicFaith  1  Chance  2
    Affects ReligiousMania  1  Chance  1
    Affects MakedonianHypermethyskos  1  Chance  2

;------------------------------------------
Trigger Makedone_becomes_drinker_Hypermethyskos_01
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition FactionType macedon
          and Trait Drink > 0
          and Trait MakedonianHypermethyskos < 2

   Affects MakedonianHypermethyskos  1  Chance  100
;------------------------------------------
Trigger Makedone_Oinostyges_selfperpetuating
    WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

    Condition FactionType macedon
          and Trait MakedonianOinostyges > 0
          and RandomPercent > 50

   Affects MakedonianOinostyges  1  Chance  2
   Affects MakedonianHypermethyskos  3  Chance  1

**General Appo** · 06-02-2008, 18:31

Hey, alcoholism was the number one virtue in Makedonia. Still is by the way. *ducks under cover*

**Cartaphilus** · 06-02-2008, 23:05

Not only in Makedonia.

Alcohol is my shepherd, I shall not want.
It maketh me to lie down in green pastures, etc.

Never trust a sober man.

**Fish-got-a-Sniper** · 06-02-2008, 23:08

In Soviet Makedonia, beer drink you!

**Wolfman** · 06-02-2008, 23:43

@Fish-Got-A-Sniper
Adopts Arrogant Snobby Voice You ignorant barbarian! We macedonians would not touch such an ignoble drink as beer! We prefer wine.

@ Everybody else
And i'm not drunk, i'm just happy! I lobe every "hiccup" boddy in de world.

**Timoleon** · 06-03-2008, 07:57

OK, thanks konny, now I see what triggers the trait. But isn't it contradicting to have the Hypermethyskos and the "Occasional Drinker" trait at the same time?

**konny** · 06-03-2008, 09:22

They are antitraits and shouldn't appear at the same time. One point in this trait will reduce a level in the other trait.

**machinor** · 06-03-2008, 12:00

What do you think enabled them to conquer almost all of the known world?!

**Maion Maroneios** · 06-03-2008, 16:23

Good point, though I would like to complain about this myself as well. Not only is it annoying to know that every single Argead FM is a drunkard, it also reduces command I think...

**bovi** · 06-04-2008, 07:37

Affects MakedonianHypermethyskos 3 Chance 1

I thought I had wiped out all these burst-self-perpetuating traits already

. I'll change it to increase by 1 with a chance of 3 instead.

**konny** · 06-04-2008, 10:17

Originally Posted by bovi

I thought I had wiped out all these burst-self-perpetuating traits already

. I'll change it to increase by 1 with a chance of 3 instead.

This is from the 1.0 file, what I had just at hand on this PC when answering. I think some of these were nerfed already.

**Maion Maroneios** · 06-04-2008, 13:25

Hope so, as I'm going to start a new Makedonian campaign soon...

**Centurio Nixalsverdrus** · 06-05-2008, 02:29

This was extremely annoying back in 0.81 when you are late-campaign and have to read through a huge list of "occasional drinker" traits every turn, at least if you don't want to lose the important personal messages...