Dosidastakeli recruitment?

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[cF]HanBaal 00:27 06-07-2008

hi,

as the lusotannan i built in Vellika type 1 government, mic level 5 and still cant recruit the vasci heavy infantry aka 'dosidastakeli'...do i need to wait for some reforms to happen?

thanks

Elmetiacos 00:40 06-07-2008

They've been taken out of the recruitment roster.

[cF]HanBaal 00:45 06-07-2008

lol, would be fun to use their 17 attack 37 defense stats

you know why they were taken out? They still appear in the export descr unit file as recruitable by the Lusotannan (spain)

any way to mod them back in? which file would i have to mod?

Atanamir 00:52 06-07-2008

Originally Posted by [cF]HanBaal:
lol, would be fun to use their 17 attack 37 defense stats

you know why they were taken out? They still appear in the export descr unit file as recruitable by the Lusotannan (spain)

any way to mod them back in? which file would i have to mod?

You should look here

[cF]HanBaal 01:05 06-07-2008

thanks!

Atanamir 07:07 06-07-2008

Originally Posted by [cF]HanBaal:
thanks!

Moros 11:04 06-08-2008

They were made unrecruitable because though there is some evidence. (The armor existed, they were mentioned,...) The evidence and their nature doesn't really justify recruitable units. Thus they were made unrecruitable for realism's sake.

But as you can read in the other topic (link posted above), they can be made avaible easily.

Olaf The Great 15:09 06-08-2008

I just hope EB is kind enough to give us the Option of recruiting them in EB2.

Ludens 15:38 06-08-2008

If I understood Sarcasm, the current Iberian FC, correctly, they are going to get axed. There's a reason their recruitment is disabled, after all, and unit slots are even more valuable in EB2 than in EB1.

Moros 18:06 06-08-2008

Yeah, I don't see them returning into EB II. It was a great unit, looked cool and stuff. But then again Lorica Segmentata looks cool too. But that doesn't change the fact that isn't Historically the correct option.

Olaf The Great 04:06 06-12-2008

Originally Posted by Moros:
Yeah, I don't see them returning into EB II. It was a great unit, looked cool and stuff. But then again Lorica Segmentata looks cool too. But that doesn't change the fact that isn't Historically the correct option.

Uh huh, yeah ok.

Alright when EB2 comes out remind me to add Dosidataskelli(and those other guys) to the game ;)

Jolt 04:40 06-12-2008

Originally Posted by Ludens:
If I understood Sarcasm, the current Iberian FC, correctly, they are going to get axed. There's a reason their recruitment is disabled, after all, and unit slots are even more valuable in EB2 than in EB1.

Didn't those guys fought Emporion Hoplites or sorts? Some writer wrote about them.

Ibrahim 06:25 06-12-2008

well, at this rate, the Thorakitai Argyraspidai will be the last of their breed (the super heavies that is)

bovi 07:57 06-12-2008

Originally Posted by Olaf The Great:
Alright when EB2 comes out remind me to add Dosidataskelli(and those other guys) to the game ;)

Good luck modelling and skinning them.

Moros 12:45 06-12-2008

Originally Posted by Jolt:
Didn't those guys fought Emporion Hoplites or sorts? Some writer wrote about them.

Yes they did. Can't remember the passage. But I bet one of our historians still does.
However they functioned as a bodyguard, and in very small units. Not justifying recruitable units for a foreign faction.

Jolt 13:21 06-12-2008

In EB 2, they could be recruited as a one unit only in Cantabria. It would be plausible, within EB Historical limits.

Sarcasm 19:07 06-12-2008

Hey, if you guys find out what that passage is, I'll take a look at it. In the mean time, sorry, but they're going the way of the dodo.

Olaf The Great 20:05 06-12-2008

Originally Posted by bovi:
Good luck modelling and skinning them.

Eh, I guess I could use the Thorakitai Argyraspidai model, but I lack the drive(I am pretty good with skins) to do it.
It was really a joke :)

BTW what is that armor, and are there pictures of it?(The "Super heavy" armor, cearann or something

Ludens 20:57 06-12-2008

Originally Posted by Olaf The Great:
Eh, I guess I could use the Thorakitai Argyraspidai model, but I lack the drive(I am pretty good with skins) to do it.

That would be a good idea, if it weren't for the fact that the TA model was adjusted so the Dosidataskeli and its Goidelic equivalent could use it as well, and they'll probably go back to the original one.

Olaf The Great 22:37 06-13-2008

Originally Posted by Ludens:
That would be a good idea, if it weren't for the fact that the TA model was adjusted so the Dosidataskeli and its Goidelic equivalent could use it as well, and they'll probably go back to the original one.

I actually thought it was the other way around? Eh, doesn`t matter, It's not like I was serious anyway, Iberia has enough great units to fill the gap anyway (they weren't very usefull anyway)

Ludens 12:43 06-14-2008

Originally Posted by Olaf The Great:
I actually thought it was the other way around? Eh, doesn`t matter, It's not like I was serious anyway, Iberia has enough great units to fill the gap anyway (they weren't very usefull anyway)

No. The leftmost image is the original Thorakitai Argyres (before the inclusion of the Dosidataskeli), and the second to the right is the current one. Both the helmet and the shoudler protection have been altered to conform to the Dosidataskeli model.

(The image of the original Thorakitai Argyres is taken from the front-page of the EB website)/

Moros 01:17 06-15-2008

Note some of the changes were also due to historical reasons if I remember correctly.

@Jolt bodyguards from other tribes,...shouldn't be recruitable.Even if only one could be recruited. And if it would be limited this much, it would be waste of the model slot. Unless there is evidence that suggest they were used frequently and are effictively attested. However I don't see that happening. SO I guess we can safely state they won't make it.

The armor they use is Heavy chain mail and a layer of fishscale armor. IIRC.

Jolt 01:23 06-15-2008

Originally Posted by Moros:
Note some of the changes were also due to historical reasons if I remember correctly.

@Jolt bodyguards from other tribes,...shouldn't be recruitable.Even if only one could be recruited. And if it would be limited this much, it would be waste of the model slot. Unless there is evidence that suggest they were used frequently and are effictively attested. However I don't see that happening. SO I guess we can safely state they won't make it.

I agree as to where the unit limit goes, compared to the unit quantity/province of recruitment, but I don't see any problem where a unit of bodyguards wouldn't be able to enter the game, considering it could be a Vascii King/Warlord and his bodyguards, much like there are other factions who depict nobles and their companions.

MerlinusCDXX 03:28 06-15-2008

Maybe there could be the possibility of being able to get them as a merc general's bodyguard in Cantabria? This should satisfy historical accuracy, and curtail the unhistorical spamming of these guys (though I don't really see them as spammable, they were pretty expensive in 1.0).

Just a thought.

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