Swapping Chalkis for Thessalonica

[Dumbass]

I think it would be a good idea to get rid of the Chalkis settlement and move it up to Thessalonica.
From a game play view, I find Chalkis tends to be one of those unnecessary settlements that just clogs up an already packed out settlement area. It makes for quite a boring settlement that could be better used elsewhere. Also The Makedonian Ai does not really seem able to cope with having it's settlements dotted all over the place.

I think Thessalonica would be good, because it's a settlement right in Makedonian homeland. Usually, when Epirus takes Pella (Which happens basically all the time), it results in Macedon getting screwed over, unable to recover. I think Thessalonica would give Makedon a chance to recover and it would also even out the ratio of settlements in north and south greece. It would also give Macedon another place to recruit it's elites units (It only has a Demetrios and Pella).

From a historical view, I may be wrong, but wasn't Thessalonica a major city, more so that Chalkis?

[Puupertti Ruma]

I'dd think the major problem with Thessalonica, is that it's so close to Pella to make it impossible to implement. If I am correct in at least RTW EB I map the Thessalonica would be on the next tile west of Pella, or at most 2 or 3 tiles away. If something gloggs up the map it's two cities virtually touching each other. The hopefully enlarged map of EB II might make the close proximity of the cities less of an issue, but I still have the impression that at 272 BC Thessalonica would be overshadowed by it's neighboring city because of the Antigonid rule residing in Pella. The permanent fort ability could be used to represent Thessalonica without giving it the full status of a city, which in my opinion would be optimal and awesome!

About the removing of Chalkis, I'dd reckon the reason it is in the game is because the team wanted to have a representation of the political situation of that geocraphical area, in other words to have the island that Chalkis resides on as a territory. The fact that Chalkis was the most important city on the island (the name of which I don't know) is just a "coincident" of sorts.

The could of course be debate about whether Chalkis or the territory it resides in are viable territories in EB II, and if it would be removed where the excess settlement should be used at. I am not going to start it, because, frankly, I don't know squat about Chalkis.

[Ibrahim]

I'dd think the major problem with Thessalonica, is that it's so close to Pella to make it impossible to implement. If I am correct in at least RTW EB I map the Thessalonica would be on the next tile west of Pella, or at most 2 or 3 tiles away. If something gloggs up the map it's two cities virtually touching each other. The hopefully enlarged map of EB II might make the close proximity of the cities less of an issue, but I still have the impression that at 272 BC Thessalonica would be overshadowed by it's neighboring city because of the Antigonid rule residing in Pella. The permanent fort ability could be used to represent Thessalonica without giving it the full status of a city, which in my opinion would be optimal and awesome!

About the removing of Chalkis, I'dd reckon the reason it is in the game is because the team wanted to have a representation of the political situation of that geocraphical area, in other words to have the island that Chalkis resides on as a territory. The fact that Chalkis was the most important city on the island (the name of which I don't know) is just a "coincident" of sorts.

The could of course be debate about whether Chalkis or the territory it resides in are viable territories in EB II, and if it would be removed where the excess settlement should be used at. I am not going to start it, because, frankly, I don't know squat about Chalkis.

the island is Euboaea

[Dumbass]

I'dd think the major problem with Thessalonica, is that it's so close to Pella to make it impossible to implement. If I am correct in at least RTW EB I map the Thessalonica would be on the next tile west of Pella, or at most 2 or 3 tiles away. If something gloggs up the map it's two cities virtually touching each other. The hopefully enlarged map of EB II might make the close proximity of the cities less of an issue, but I still have the impression that at 272 BC Thessalonica would be overshadowed by it's neighboring city because of the Antigonid rule residing in Pella. The permanent fort ability could be used to represent Thessalonica without giving it the full status of a city, which in my opinion would be optimal and awesome!

In regards to it being too close, Thessalonica is located in that little land shaped like a three-fingered-hand, which would be about 2-3tiles away from Pella, which I think is ample. And then considering that the EB map will be scaled up, there'll be even more space between. Also, settlements like atiqa and Carthage, and Seleukiea and Babylon are about 2 tiles away from eachother, so what's wrong with having Pella and Thessalonica? RTR have Thessalonica and Pella and it looks good on their map, so I think it would work in EB. btw, chalkis and Athens are just a few tiles away from eachother.

[Jolt]

It isn't realistic because Thessalonike was formed only a few decades before EB starts, and doesn't have any importance at all, whereas Chalkis represents an historically important island.

[Dumbass]

Antioch was formed even after Thessalonica was built and was only finished being built after the game starts, yet it was still a major city. So why wouldn't Thessalonica be?

We need an EB member to come and tell us whether Thessalonica was a major city during 272bc.

[Foot]

There has been no mention of it on the internal forums, and I don't think such a change will make it into the game. Indeed, the examples of other cities close to each other may well be removed in EBII (both Atiqa and Babylon have come up). With regards Babylon, its position in the Seleukid Empire was rather unique, and that was the main reason for its conclusion.

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[Jolt]

Antioch was formed even after Thessalonica was built and was only finished being built after the game starts, yet it was still a major city. So why wouldn't Thessalonica be?

We need an EB member to come and tell us whether Thessalonica was a major city during 272bc.

I'm not sure if Thessalonike was formed before Antioch. In any case, Thessalonike never played an important role in history in this time, as has Antioch (Being the capital of the Seleucids). Thessalonike was just an autonomous city-state and little more I know through until Roman days.

EDIT: Seeing Thalakos post in the Open Beta Thread, actually Antioch was founded a year before Thessalonike.