Pax Romanum - Interactive Romani AAR

[johnhughthom]

Cnaev Clavdivs Cicero

Noble Manius I wish to propose that only Quastors and Aediles have the power to decide on building policy in Rome, also building in Rome must come first - only after a policy for Rome is decided do we consider spending money elsewhere. Also on financial matters I propose that we keep military spending at a maximum of 90% of tax income, farming and trade income is too vulnerable to change to rely on. Finally I respectfully ask our honourable Praetor Urbanus not to use the words Gaul and peace in the same sentence again, it gives me a headache.

Phyrros is no threat to Rome

[TruePraetorian]

*Dentatvs* I am sorry friend, I only read what my scribes have listed. Gaul and peace will never be associated again by my own tongue from now until I pass.

As for your proposals on Questors and Aediles, it has again be noted. But with a lack of Offices it is a good topic to discuss. From here on, such matters of construction shall be left to the Aediles, and Questors will be left the financial tasks. When elected, I will personally notify each office what tasks it must accomplish, and what powers it has.

This does not restrict economy in General as a topic, I will let you know. The managing of cities is surely left to the offices, but the coffers of Rome are not private funds and will not be disclosed to a few Senators.

And, for all to know, remember that it is not necessary to nominate a Senator for office. There are 600 men in this room with more then able ability; I would not like to see the power of Rome bestowed upon a small gathering of people. Remember also, follow the Curus Honorum, for breaking such a tradition by nominating yourself for an unworthy position will only lead in negative influence.

[Maeran]

M. Claudius Albinus stands, and waits a moment for the younger senators to stop fidgeting.

Conscript Fathers, I will be brief. The honourable Curius Dentatus has listed those matters I should wish you to discuss.

As for the offices and responsibilities assigned by tradition on the Aediles and Quaestors, I have no objection, although I would add the reminder that senior offices possess the right to overrule those junior to themselves. Otherwise we must resort to the unseemly behaviour of constantly undoing the mistakes of last years office.

Considering Gaul- these barbarians fight amongst themselves, and this keeps them from fighting us. Constant war with all Gauls is unnecessary and unprofitable. The Aedui confederacy sponsors some of our immediate rivals it is true, but why are we hostile to the Arverni?

Both the economy and the security of Italy would be boosted significantly by the construction of better roads. At least a trunk from Etruria to Rhegium. My father showed us the way in this matter, with the via Appia. Any proposed Aedile would do well to prioritise roads, that speed up the movement of both troops and trade from the Gallic border to the Bruttian shores.

Tarentum must be attacked. As long as we allow a continued Epirote presence in Italy, there will be troops there. Do not think of it as conquest. To be sure, the Tarentines invited Pyrrhus to our shores, but it was they who have felt the grip of his tyranny first and for the longest. We would not be conquerors but liberators!

Once this act of charity is completed, we must decide how to deal with the misguided Greeks. Do we welcome them into the commonwealth as allies, or do we deprive them of the right to raise troops in their traditional manners? Do we strip the city of its wealth and people, or do we allow them to live on, in the knowledge that it is Rome who safeguard their freedoms and require their fidelity?

What say you, senatores?

[Chaotix]

Septimus Claudius Oppugnatus steps up to respond to Senator Claudius Albinus's questions.

"Noble senatore and fellow Claudius, your words are wise, and I believe you have the best interests for the republic at heart. Building better roads is certainly a good step towards economic growth; I would also suggest that we make port-building, or at least coastal clearing, our next priority, so that we might profit from trade with our ever-greedy Punic allies. After we liberate Tarentum, I believe it would be wise to simply occupy the city, otherwise we might not be seen as liberators after all. We should integrate it into the Italian Allies that we benefit from in our legions. (i.e. build Type 1 gov.)

I do agree that we should not remain at war with all of the Gauls. However, should we support one faction too much over the other, they may gain an advantage and unite all of Gaul against us. We must remember that although we can keep peace with some of them, they are all truly our enemies. Therefore, I suggest that if we do manage to conquer all the way to the Aedui tribes in Mediolanum, we should then make peace with the Aedui and sever ties with the Arverni."

Septimus sits, believing he may have gained a powerful ally in the Senate.

[johnhughthom]

Cnaevs Clavdivs Cicero

Stands once again finally feeling confident his words won't be ignored or laughed at.

Aedui? Arverni? What are these words you speak? You mean you can actually tell these smelly barbarians from one another? All this talk in the senate of assassins and playing factions off one another, what has happened here? Have I left Rome and found myself in Athens among cowards, liars and cheats? Rome knows only one method of diplomacy and that is the throwing of the pilum, the stab of the gladius and that is how we should "negotiate" with the Gauls. Unless of course they are willing to show subservience to Rome with a suitable donation...
Finally I would like to nominate Titvs Lepidvs Aqvila as Plebeian Aedile.

Phyrros is no threat to Rome


OOC I take it we are going to ignore minimum ages for senate offices as so many are playing characters in their 20s?

[TruePraetorian]

*Dentatvs* Thank you wise Cicero. Your words truly strike a chord withing this senate building. The Gauls of the north are nothing more then wretched bands of savage animals who think nothing of stabbing a man in the back. Alliance with either one of the tribes would demonstrate a weakness that no Roman has any right to bear. The only agreement with the barbarians that I forsee would be one of large benifit to Rome, a yearly tribute as suggested by Cicero.

As for Tarentum, to demonstrate true Roman superiority of Italia, we must enslave the population and burn their homes. The Gods would have us do no less, and any true Roman should recognise the oppurtunity set before us.

Lastly, Cicero my dear friend, I ask you to remember to write down your candidates in a private message. And to all, the only age restriction is that of Consul, which has always been 42.

[General Appo]

Senators, heed my words. This bickering is pointless! While we sit and discuss what we should do once the city of Taras has been conquered, its people continue to live on in freedom and prepare for war against Roma.
I believe we can all agree that Taras should be our first target, so what are we waiting for? Send the legions of Roma to take the city, and then we can discuss the future.

Quintus Lorentus Cornelius

[Aaldaemon]

*Marcus Iulius Draco*

I agree with Quintus Lorentus Cornelius, it is imperative that Taras must be brought under our control. Building roads and promoting trade is all fine and well, and I defer this matter to my seniors, but the matters relating to the security of the Res Publica must come first. As such I will be the first to take up my sword and go fight the Epeirotes, for the Res Publica needs swords in this time of need, and us conscript fathers should be the first to show our fellow citizens conduct befitting true Romans!

I am also saddened that some of us here can even contemplate to think of Gauls as "allies". Our noble ancestors must be weeping in the afterlife, for such abomination tarnishes all that we hold dear. While I live I shall never contemplate such abomination, holding dear to my heart our history, and even more so our gods appointed destiny.

Therefore, I propose that the Gauls must be destroyed.

OOC: Seeing that I'm most likely going to the mountains for the weekend, my dear Marcus will most likely take a break from senatorial affairs, as such he should go on campaign to gain some military experience... time to kill some enemies of the Res Publica.

[Hax]

Publius Tullius Lunaris rises

Heed my word, conscript fathers!

While we speak of destroying the Gauls with massive forces, I cannot help but think; where will we get the money from?

I propose that we first deal with the band of traitors in Rhegium. Then we need to further trade with the city of Carthago. Only after we have a stable economy we can think of capturing foreign lands.

As for you, Verus Dumnorus Assus, I do not believe myself to be a coward, but think again. The Hellenic peoples were the ones that conquered the ancient realm of Persia. They are still a mighty foe.

P. Tullius Lunaris sits again

[STuNTz2023]

Titvs Lepidvs Aqvila rises to speak..

"I am in partial agreement with Publius Tullius Lunaris, as the traitors must be dealt with soon, and swiftly to regain the trust of our allies. It will further our trade with our Punic allies and bolster our economy, however when the rebellion falls the people of the city of Rhegion are not to blame, the rebels have hurt them and their families enough.

However as I previously said I believe Phyyros and his influence in Taras should be our biggest concern. Our southern legion should march and capture the city and perhaps the team of assassins would be the best way to end the threat from Phyyros.

I am in favor of playing one barbarian tribe against another, as long as it is known that neither can be our ally, as the people of Rome will not stand for the welcoming of a barbarian tribe, and we also can not allow them to unite gaul. Keep their civil war going may be a way of financially draining them and keeping them away from our borders"

[V.T. Marvin]

*Senator Vibivs Tarqvinivs Barbatus stands up with a worried expression oh his face

Patres conscripti, how wise our forefathers were when they have built this magnificent building with such a thick walls and massive doors so that no-one outside the body of senators could hear the proceedings. It would be a shame be it otherwise! O tempora! O mores! Where is justice - thown out to the rubbish yard! Where is a sense of decency - dead long ago, apparentely!

Instead one can hear today such a sinfully war-mongering utterances like "we must enslave the population of Taras and burn their homes" (he looks regretfully towards Dentatus) or "Gauls must be destroyed" (sadly nodding to Draco). Where such feelings stem from? We certainly should not shy away from war, that would be unthinkable and I am no pacifist either, but it is imperative that it will be a bella iusta. Populus Romanus rose to such heights by being just and unavengeful to its former foes, striving quite successfully to win them over as friends and allies after defeating them in battle. This policy of just war and reconcilliation served our fathers well. Why we should introduce so dramatic a break right now? I hear some of my more belligerent colleagues to speak of Roman honour which in their opinion somehow binds us to be cruel towards our neighbours and expansionistic. The very opposite is true. Their proposal of war of conquest would be unheard of in our glourious past and would met with outrage by our predecessors. Therefore I have to strongly object and plead you: STOP THIS MADNESS!!!

Taras should of course be dealt with, I have said so previously, but after we defeat them, we should leave them to run their business by themselves and only impose on them a tribute and a treaty of alliance (i.e. occupy and build Type4 Government).

The same with Rhegion, which we are obliged to liberate from those traitors who stained the name and honour of Roma (i.e. occupy and build Type4 Government).

After that we shoud make the peace with Pyrhos as he indeed is no threat to Rome (nods approvingly towards Cicero). Trying to punish him by continuing war would be foolish and unjust, trying to slay him by assassins would mean to entrust the policy of the Res Publica to the dirty hands of some water-side scum which is both foolish and shameful.

As regards the Gauls up north, we could and should conclude a ceasefire with them and them tire one another in their meanigless skirmishes. I cannot see a point in trying to burn down a few huts or attempting to conquer a patch of a forest!

As regards domestic matters, road-buiding, improvement of trade and agriculture and setting a definite limit on defence expeditures - 90% of tax income - all these are reasonable policies and have my full support. We should make Rome stronger instead of just bigger!!!

*As he utters his last word with apparent disgust, Senator Vibivs Tarqvinivs Barbatus sits down again, exhausted with anger and long speech

[Teacher]

Im in...

Lysandros Julius Antonius

23 years

Senatores, young family only recently granted rank

Educated in the classics, military aspirations

[Teacher]

Lysandors Julius Antonius arrives late, having been delayed by an angry congregation of citizens outside the forum...

He assumes his seat amongst the noble senatores and listens intently to their wise words...

[General Appo]

How, oh Vibivs Tarqvinivs Barbatvs can you discuss the future of Taras while its population still prepares to face our armies? I say again, take the city, then we can discuss how best to deal with it.
We sit hear and bicker over how to manage a city that is not yet ours. Have the wars against Pyrrhos taught us nothing? We cannot simply presume that the armies of Roma will conquer all with ease. True, in the end, the Res Republica will always be victorious, but to assume that it will be so at the first encounter is both foolish and arrogant.
I propose the legions moves towards Taras as swift as possible, lest we give it time to prepare for defense. Who shall lead the legions I do not know, though victorious Manivs Cvrivs Dentatvs seems an obvious choice, or if not him perhaps noble Cornelius Blasio.
But, let us not be pinned down by pointless bickering. The Imperator should be chosen quickly and justly, so that the legions can get to work. Then we politicians can decide the faith of the defeated, but not before they are actually defeated.
I also offer up myself to serve in legions that are to march towards Taras. As a Legate or Tribune if the Imperator would have me, but if not, as a Decurion or even a common soldier. For the common soldier is the most respectable man in the Res Republica, and should be dully honored.

Quintus Lorentus Cornelius

[Maeran]

Albinus stands again to address the Senate.

I give my thanks to Lunaris, Aquila and Barbatus, for relieving my anxiety. For a moment I was certain some god had transported me indeed to Athens, where they really do not distinguish between foreigners but call them all barbarians. They are also proud of themselves beyond reason or past experience- something that I hope Jupiter Optimus Maximus does not inflict upon this council. I said nothing of alliances, merely the opportunity to open trade with those who are not a threat to us. We all have clients who seek such trade.

I disagree that it is mere bickering to discuss the fate of an enemy city before it is taken. Let the Consul in command know what the wishes of Senate are before he sets foot on Tarentine streets and he can act accordingly from the first, rather than maintain a huge garrison while he runs back to Rome to aquire his senatus consultum.

However, it does indeed look like we could devolve into a pointless round of debate. So let us make some definite decisions.

I request that the Praetor Urbanus announce the election of the Consuls at the very least without delay. There are currently only two candidates mentioned; Manius Curius Dentatus and Lucius Cornelius Scipio.

Should further candidates be entertained they should be submitted by private message to the Praetor Urbanus by the end of this day. Voting can then be made and the candidate with the most votes be made the senior Consul. As follows tradition, the Consuls then allocate provinces of war between them by lot.

Only one other candidate has been mentioned. Titus Lepidus Aquila for plebeian Aedile. I am not averse to his election.

If no objections to the process I have put forward are made this day, then I trust the Praetor Urbanus will make such arrangements as are necessary.

[TruePraetorian]

Manivs smiles.

*Manivs* "It must appear that I am neglectful of my duties to you fine Senators! For all to know, the elections have been postponed only because of the entrance of new Senators. It has been two meetings, yet I feel as if you nobile men are scrutinizing my every action!"

He ruffles through some papers sitting atop the Rostrum and continues speaking.

"Be patient, O my dear Romans. The elections will be held in only a few moments. Currently, I am waiting for any last minute candidates or voting topics, of which I have recieved few. Senatores, if this Senate house is to run Roma, you must send me private messages! If not, your opinions may go unvoiced among us."

He stops for only a moment before talking again.

"Brothers, it seems that the rules of this Senate house are being looked lightly upon. Twice in the recent meetings have unannounced visitors interupted our meetings. If this ever occurs again, I urge you men to punish him with your orative skill. He who is rude to the Senate is rude to Roma, and there is no tolerance to disgrace of this city."

"I will leave it at that. In a short span of time I will announce candidates, new-men,and topics of vote. Please, I again urge you to send me what you would like to be voted upon."

Dentatvs, done with his speech, waits patiently for the beginning of the next meeting.

[TruePraetorian]

Manivs Cvrivs Dentatvs smiles as he glances over the papers knowing very well his name was on them. Patiently waiting for the Senatores to take their places, he clasps his hands behind his back. It did him proud to see so many of his kinsmen united for one just cause, the glory of Roma. Behind him, a scribe sat patiently with wax tablet in hand, staring at the white-robed Praetor Urbanus, almost wishing to hear him speak.

Finally, after a few minutes, the noise in the Senate house was reduced to nothing.

"Senatores, it does me well to see you here today."

His voice echoed in the silent dome, richoteing off of seemingly every surface. The room seemed to compliment his natural orative skill.

"I will start today with none-other then the most important events; the elections. The list reads as follows:

For Pontifex Maximus(1):
...

For Censor(2):
P.Rvfivs Catvlvs
M. Pavlvs Tranivs
P. Ivlivs Scipio.

For Consul(2):
M. Cvrivs Dentatvs
L. Cornelivs Scipio
P. Avrus Flavivs
M. Cornelivs Blasio.

For Praetor(8):
M. Cornelivs Septimvs
R. Redivs Lentvlvs
M. Cornelivs Tvlivs
G. Plvtvs Mvs
C. Firmvs Talenvs
L. Cornelivs Talvs
P. Manivs Ivlva
C. Servvs Blasio
O. Pavlvs Cicero
M. Cornelivs Lipedimvs
N. Clavdivs Gentitvs

For Curule Aedile(2):
C. Glarivs Perpinvs
M. Cornelivs Seitos
F. Pavlvs Rvfivs Gemini
C. Delvs Brvtvs
P. Fvlvvis Maxentivs
O. Septimvs Caltivs

For Plebian Aedile(2):
T. Lepidvs Aqvila
T. Brvmivs Tarvs
F. Pentvlvs Marivs
R. Cornelivs Tabvlvs
C. Avreilvs Cotta

For Quaestor(20):
Pvblivs Tvllivs Lvnaris
...

For Plebian Tribunes(10):
...

For Military Tribunes:
...

For Praetor Urbanus:
M. Cvrivs Denatatvs
...

OOC:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Candidates who are not bolded are "fake", meaning I made them up. They are there so we can have a realistic election. As for the Quaestors, it would take forever to name. Actually, I am not going to name off a bunch of fakes anymore (but I don't want to destroy my work ) so if you do not wish to vote for one of the characters, please just leave your votes blank.

The topics to vote on are as follows:
~~~
Mandate I - In abscense of Praetor Urbanus, first to volunteer takes position until return
Declaration I - War on Taras
Declaration II - War on Rhegium
Declaration III - Pursue Phyrros
Declaration IV - Fair treatment of Tarentines after War
Declaration V - Peace with Audei
Declaration VI - Peace with Arvenii
Declaration VII - Prioritization to Aediles of roads and ports
Voiced Opinion - Structure of Legion (Most similiar choice will be selected)
Declaration VIII - Alliance with Makedonia
Declaration IX - Peace with Epeirotes
Declaration X - Alliance with Konoin Hellonon

Please bold votes. Voiced Opinions must be entirely in bold. No re-voting.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

OOC: Here, just copy/paste this and enter who you want:

P.M. -
Censors -
Consuls -
Praetor -
C.Aedile -
P. Aedile -
Quaestor -
P.T. -
M.T. -
P.U. -

For Mandates, use MI, MII, etc. Declarations DI, DII, etc. voiced opinions use:
[title of topic]
....
....
....
etc.

Remember, your votes sway the other 550+ Senators.

~~~

"And there you have it Senators."

Manivs folds his hands and waits for the quiet Senate house to yet again fill with noise.

Next meeting in 24 hours at 2145 GMT, 1745 EST.

[TruePraetorian]

*L. Cornelivs Scipio*
P.M. - ...
Censors - ...
Consuls - M. Cvurivs Dentatvs, L. Cornelivs Scipio
Praetor - ...
C.Aedile - ...
P. Aedile - T. Lepidvs Aqvila, ...
Quaestor - P. Tvllivs Lvnaris
P.T. - ...
M.T. - ...
P.U. - M. Cvrivs Dentatvs

Vote: For MI, DI, DII, DV, DVII, DX
Vote: Against DIII, DIV, DVI, DVIII, DIX

[Structure Of Legions]
Praetorian Legion:
1 General
2 Hastati
2 Princepes
2 Triarii
1 Rorarii
1 Leves
1 Accensi

Consular Legion:
1 General
4 Hastati
4 Princepes
4 Triarii
1 Rorarii
1 Leves
1 Accensi
2 Hastati Samnitici
1 Allied Cavalry
1 Cavalry (optional tribune)

[Irishmafia2020]

Marcvs Rubellius Fulvius wishes to have his votes recorded as follows:

Mandate I - In absence of Praetor Urbanus, first to volunteer takes position until return Affirmative
Declaration I - War on Taras Negative
Declaration II - War on Rhegium Affirmative
Declaration III - Pursue Phyrros Negative
Declaration IV - Fair treatment of Tarentines after War Affirmative
Declaration V - Peace with Audei Negative
Declaration VI - Peace with Arvenii Negative
Declaration VII - Prioritization to Aediles of roads and ports Affirmative
Voiced Opinion - Structure of Legion (Most similiar choice will be selected)
Abstain
Declaration VIII - Alliance with Makedonia Affirmative
Declaration IX - Peace with Epeirotes Affirmative
Declaration X - Alliance with Konoin Hellonon Affirmative

Offices:
For Consul(2):
M. Cvrivs Dentatvs
L. Cornelivs Scipio

For Plebian Aedile(2):
T. Lepidvs Aqvila

For Quaestor(20):
Pvblivs Tvllivs Lvnaris

[Hax]

Declaration I - War on Taras:
Negative
Declaration II - War on Rhegium[/B]:
Affirmative
Declaration IV - Fair treatment of Tarentines after War:
Affirmative
Declaration V - Peace with Aedui:
Affirmative
Declaration VII - Prioritization to Aediles of roads and ports[/B]:
Affirmative
Voiced Opinion - Structure of Legion (Most similiar choice will be selected)[/B]:
Abstain
Declaration VIII - Alliance with Makedonia[/B]:
Negative
Declaration IX - Peace with Epeirotes:
Affirmative
Declaration X - Alliance with Konoin Hellonon:
Negative


Offices:
Consul(2):
M. Cvrivs Dentatvs
L. Cornelivs Scipio

For Plebian Aedile(2):
T. Lepidvs Aqvila

For Quaestor(20):
[Abstain]

[General Appo]

These are the votes cast by Quintus Lorentus Cornelius:

Mandate I - In absence of Praetor Urbanus, first to volunteer takes position until return:
Affirmative

Declaration I - War on Taras:
Affirmative
Declaration II - War on Rhegium:
Affirmative
Declaration IV - Fair treatment of Tarentines after War:
Affirmative
Declaration V - Peace with Aedui:
Affirmative
Declaration VII - Prioritization to Aediles of roads and ports:
Affirmative
Voiced Opinion - Structure of Legion (Most similiar choice will be selected):
Abstain
Declaration VIII - Alliance with Makedonia:
Affirmative
Declaration IX - Peace with Epeirotes:
Affirmative, if after Taras conquest
Declaration X - Alliance with Konoin Hellonon:
Negative

For Censor:
P. Ivlivs Scipio.

For Office of Consul:
L. Cornelivs Scipio
M. Cvrivs Dentatvs

For Office of Praetor:
O. Pavlvs Cicero
R. Redivs Lentvlvs

For Plebeian Aedile:
C. Avreilvs Cotta

[TruePraetorian]

Remember, this issue not only voting time. It is also open discussion on new policies, and new topics of vote may be cast for next seesion.

[Maeran]

I trust that my faith in Dentatus' wisdom is not to be ruined by his obvious contempt for Gauls. I place my judgment before that of the gods. Let Jupiter and Minerva guide me in this.

Consuls - L. Cornelius Scipio, M' Curius Dentatus

P. Aedile - T. Lepidus Aquila
Quaestor - Pub. Tullius Lunaris


Mandate I - In absence of Praetor Urbanus, first to volunteer takes position until return:
Aye

Declaration I - War on Taras:
Aye
Declaration II - War on Rhegium:
Aye
Declaration IV - Fair treatment of Tarentines after War:
Aye
Declaration V - Peace with Aedui:
Nay Not until they renounce their association with the Insubrian tribe in northern Italy.
Declaration VII - Prioritization to Aediles of roads and ports:
Aye
Voiced Opinion - Structure of Legion (Most similiar choice will be selected):

Praetorian Legion:
1 General
2 Hastati
2 Princepes
2 Triarii
1 Rorarii
1 Leves
1 Accensi

Consular Legion:
1 General
4 Hastati
4 Princepes
4 Triarii
1 Rorarii
1 Leves
1 Accensi
1 Allied Cavalry
1 Cavalry (optional tribune)

Agreed with Scipio. Nota Bene; half of the Italic troops are to come from the Italic allies rather than Rome herself.

Declaration VIII - Alliance with Makedonia:
Nay What use is an alliance in a war we do not fight?
Declaration IX - Peace with Epeirotes:
Aye, after Tarentum
Declaration X - Alliance with Konoin Hellonon:
Nay

[Teacher]

L. Julius Antonius

Declaration I - War on Taras:
Negative
Declaration II - War on Rhegium:
Affirmative
Declaration IV - Fair treatment of Tarentines after War:
Affirmative
Declaration V - Peace with Aedui:
Negative
Declaration VII - Prioritization to Aediles of roads and ports:
Affirmative
Voiced Opinion - Structure of Legion (Most similiar choice will be selected):
Abstain
Declaration VIII - Alliance with Makedonia:
Negative
Declaration IX - Peace with Epeirotes:
Affirmative
Declaration X - Alliance with Konoin Hellonon:
Affirmative



Offices:
Consul(2):
M. Cvrivs Dentatvs
L. Cornelivs Scipio

For Plebian Aedile(2):
T. Lepidvs Aqvila

For Quaestor(20):
[Abstain]

[Chaotix]

Septimus Claudius Oppugnatus votes as follows:

Offices:

For Consul(2):
M. Cvrivs Dentatvs
L. Cornelivs Scipio

For Plebian Aedile(2):
T. Lepidvs Aqvila

For Quaestor(20):
P. Tvllivs Lvnaris


For Praetor Urbanus:
M. Cvrivs Dentatvs

Laws and Policies:

Mandate I - Affirmative
Declaration I - Affirmative
Declaration II - Affirmative
Declaration III - Negative
Declaration IV - Affirmative
Declaration V - Negative, until Mediolanum is taken
Declaration VI - Affirmative, until Mediolanum is taken
Declaration VII - Affirmative
Voiced Opinion - Whatever the noble Quintus Sertorius suggested
Declaration VIII - Affirmative
Declaration IX - Negative
Declaration X - Negative

[STuNTz2023]

Titvs Lepidvs Aqvila speaks to the senate

"To the senators voting against the war on Taras, you are indirectly supporting the precense of Phyyros and the Epieros in Italia. Should we allow this Macedonian tyrant to come so close to knocking on this senates door? I beg you senators to remember the romans who gave their lives against Phyrros to protect Roma."

Titvs Lepidvs Aqvila sits back down.

[johnhughthom]

Cnaevs Clavdivs Cicero

Mandate I - Aye
Declaration I - Aye
Declaration II - Aye
Declaration III - NAY
Declaration IV - Aye
Declaration V - On the proviso they pay us an annual tribute of 800 for 10 years (200 per turn, 40 turns), allow Roman traders unhindered access and give us detailed information on the whereabouts of their hovels
Declaration VI - On the same proviso as Aedui
Declaration VII - Aye
Voiced Opinion - QS' suggestion
Declaration VIII - Nay
Declaration IX - On the proviso they share their knowledge of Greek geography with us and allow Roman traders into their cities.
Declaration X - Nay

Consul - M.Cvrivs Dentatvs
Plebian Aedile - Titvs Lepidvs Aqvila
Quaestor - Publius Tullius Lunaris (minor point, it's 272bc there are only 4 quaestors)


I would also like to nominate my young friend Lysandors Julius Antonius as military tribune and apologise for his late and noisy entrance earlier today, I am sure it was not his intention to disturb your thoughts Manivs.

Phyrros is no threat to Rome

[Dumbass]

Vervs Dvmnorvs Assvs

Mandate I - In abscense of Praetor Urbanus, first to volunteer takes position until returnFor
Declaration I - War on Taras For
Declaration II - War on Rhegium For
Declaration III - Pursue Phyrros For: Either through armed intervention, or through espionage and assassination
Declaration IV - Fair treatment of Tarentines after War Against
Declaration VII - Prioritization to Aediles of roads and ports For
Declaration VIII - Alliance with Makedonia For
Declaration IX - Peace with Epeirotes For: Only after Phyrros has been dealt with

Voiced Opinion - Structure of Legion (Most similiar choice will be selected)
Legion
2 Hastati
2 Principes
2 Triarii
1 Equites
1 Hastati Samnitici
1 Pedites Extraordinary/ Heavy Samnites
1 Region allies

Consular Legion
4 Hastati
4 Principes
4 Triarii
1 Equites
2 Hastati Samnitici
1 Pedites Extraordinary/ Heavy Samnites
1 Region allies

Consul:
Manivs Cvrivs Dentatvs
Lvcivs Cornelivs Scipio

Also I wish to respond to Senatore Cicero's attack on the noble Senate and comparison to barbarians. Rome only one method of diplomacy is NOT the throwing of the pilum or the stab of the gladius. I feel insulted that you compare the senate to that of uncivilised barbarians or to Athenians. It seems you have overstepped the line. It is a rarity when a plebian is given the honour of joining the Senate, but it is considered extremely rude to then insult the very people who gave you that honour. But then I guess we can expect no better when we bestow ruffians off the street with the title of Senatore.

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Titvs Lepidvs Aqvila rises with an expression of anger on his face

"Vervs Dvmnorvs Assvs I believe you and your foolish idea's of chasing a great general into his homelands is over-stepping the line as well. Cicero does not share my title of pleb and in no way should you dare compare him to someone of my birth. Atleast Cicero remembers what Brennus and his people did, and they should forever pay for their audacity.

Next if you believe people of my standing do not belong in this senate, I dare ponder where we'd be now. Specially should we take your actions and chase a greek around Greece and throw away roman lives, which you obviously have no care for. Perhaps because it is not your own life, but without the people you careless for, Roma has no chance for its safety and this senate will be ran by barbarians.

Cicero's comparison with diplomacy with those barbaric tribes to our north is correct, only through war will we achieve safety from these people. As I previously stated playing the tribes to our favor will do us well, until our economy is stable and we can rid these people from the lands north of us.

So Assvs, next time before standing before this noble senate and spewing false information and twisted truths, make sure I am bed sick."

Titvs Lepidvs Aqvila glares at Vervs Dvmnorvs Assvs as he sits.

[Teacher]

L. Julius Antonius stands to be heard...

I agree with Titus Lepidus Aquila's argument against wasting Roman lives and material in Greece. While we must remain vigilant and guard against one the Greek powers from dominating the others, I urge the Senate to maintain a wary eye upon the Carthaginians to the south. Allies they may be today, but their ambitions are great and they desire Sicily. Should they wage war against Messana, or even Syracuse, we must be ready to prevent the Punic armies from establishing a powerful base of operations on our very doorstep.

Satisfied that he has been hear, L. Julius Antonius returns to his seat.