If a fetus can live on its own out of the womb, how is it not murder?Originally Posted by JAG
And how many of those iraqis were killed by.... other iraqis?
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If a fetus can live on its own out of the womb, how is it not murder?
And how many of those iraqis were killed by.... other iraqis?
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Not gonna derail the thread with your second point, we have covered Iraq so much already.If a fetus can live on its own out of the womb, how is it not murder?
And how many of those iraqis were killed by.... other iraqis?
As to your first, it is a cheap point which makes no sense even in your thinking on this subject. So you would quite happily state then that those fetus' which can't survive outside the womb on their own - and we have a funny way of saying 'on their own', they are hooked up and kept alive by a machine, yeah really 'on their own' - are not murdered at all. If you are to bring in, 'it is murder because it can survive at 20 weeks', surely that leaves you open to, 'well at 18 weeks when it can't survive, it isn't'.
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To the question: If you've had sex and don't want a baby, do a pregnancy test in 2 weeks. If +ve do something about it All contraception is not 100% safe. Be an adult and accept this, or be celibate or have a hysterectomy.
Although there are cases where children are born at 24 weeks or earlier and make a full recovery and lead a full, active life, they are in the minority. Many die. Most are mild to severely handicapped. Generally a mixture of severe damage to sight, low IQ and damaged lungs. And not to mention the massive drain on resources.
NOTE to the few who are unaware: these babies go to Special Care Baby Units. They have massive medical input with special food regimes, specialised medication, monitored oxygen and light levels. They would survie less than 1 day without this.
An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
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Let me ask a stupid question or two:
When is a kangaroo a kangaroo?
After climbing out of the womb or after coming out of the pocket?
What's the difference between not able to live on it's own and not able to live on it's own because the parents have to feed it?
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The difference is that a baby born at full term will generally be able to survive by itself eventually, whereas a baby born at 20 weeks will need to be hooked up to an array of life support machines for the whole of its life, which will probably be short and full of suffering.
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:looks at calendar:
Yep. It has been about six weeks since the last abortion topic here. Right on time.
Therefore, within 2 weeks: guns.
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You love it Kukri!
GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.
Jean Paul Sartre - No Exit 1944
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How about these questions instead:
If it has a heartbeat is it alive?
If you terminate an animal with a heart beat that isnt able to defend itself, is that murder?
I always find myself refering to these simple questions when talking about abortion. My preference would be to allow individuals to make their own personal choices regarding bringing a child to term. Yet can see clearly the moral and ethical dilema's others might have based on their choices of mythology to adhere too.
I normally find myself answering yes to both of my stupid questions, and then ask myself a few more.
Something like
Is it ethical to impose ones personal views on anothers choice?
If it is, can I then inturn murder/kill those who choose to impose?
And the internal paradox continues, I prefer the killing/murder route myself but I am in the minority.
There are few things more annoying than some idiot who has never done anything trying to say definitively how something should be done.
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"Topic is tired and needs a nap." - Tosa Inu
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People, a mastectomy is when a breast is cut off. I imagine you mean hysterectomy (where the uterus is removed); you might mean oophrectomy where the ovaries are removed.
An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
Science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings.
"If you can't trust the local kleptocrat whom you installed by force and prop up with billions of annual dollars, who can you trust?" Lemur
If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.
The best argument against democracy is a five minute talk with the average voter. Winston Churchill
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What's the difference between a foetus and soem poor guy I cut the head of but keep the body alive?
Does it make a diffference if someone comes up with a method to regrow a head or clone the poor guy from his body?
I've been dragging this up before, but it still leads to the question: What is a human?
And you cannot really be consistant in this issue. For example, if abortion is murder, then what is murder through neglect for a pregnant woman?
Then we also have the question of how much an outright ban would actually decrease the amount of abortions. Banning some things seems to work really great in making an reduction of use.
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As I've brought up in previous abortion threads, what is alive? The answer is only obvious if you're not thinking very hard.
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