Least attractive regions in M2TW

**PBI** · 06-18-2008, 20:48

Ah apologies, I missed that, I started from my initial post and read down.

But do you not find as the Turks (or any faction for that matter) that you end up at war with half the map no matter what you do? I always just assumed it was supposed to be like that!

**Anonymous II** · 06-19-2008, 00:30

Originally Posted by Poor Bloody Infantry

But do you not find as the Turks (or any faction for that matter) that you end up at war with half the map no matter what you do? I always just assumed it was supposed to be like that!

Actually no. I'm a builder, or turtle if you want. I also like to build up my cities to become economically very strong (don't like having "idle" settlements in my empire). I conquer the map bit by bit. And try to keep reasonable global reputation. I usually find myself in some war or another all the time throughout the game, but not with everyone at the same time.

Some factions tend to attack me for no reason from time to time (like Denmark attacking England and/or Scotland, or HRE attacking Venice, etc.), but this is not a problem when you are powerful and have good reputations. I just send in a diplomat and offer ceasefire for some florins in return. Works everytime.

This way, I take them out one by one.

You could say I do as much as I can to keep away from "the great war". Being catholic, this is never a problem, cause I just make sure my opponents get in trouble with the pope, whilst I keep perfect relations with the guy in the robe through gifts (corruption in modern terms). Being orthodox isn't a problem either, but muslims (Turks and/or Egypt that is) with lots of crusades against them are doomed to be disliked by every catholic faction in the game, and that I don't like. That's why I keep away from the three provinces mentioned at the top of this thread.

Me

**PBI** · 06-19-2008, 00:48

Interesting strategy. I seem to recall in my Turks campaign I snapped up all three and went down the Dread route, spamming assassins and executing prisoners, and then waited for the onslaught. I must say, I've never quite got the hang of turtling, I just find the money from sacking too good to resist and I always seem to end up with all my neighbours attacking me so I'm always expanding somewhere, though I don't quite go in for the insane breakneck blitzing some do.

**St.Jimmy** · 06-19-2008, 11:10

My least fav provinces to take are the huge north eastern ones. Not just because of the undervelopment/slow growth or the mongols/tims as said earlier but i hate not being able to see everything in the provinces i own. So i spend alot of time finding the best places to put up watch towers. I dont know if anyone else has this problem lol. Seriously you should of seen the amount of watch towers in my Rus campaign lol. To come to think of it I dont think iv ever used a watch tower for there true purpose (if that is there true purpose?) to spy on enemy lands. Only my own.

**Anonymous II** · 06-19-2008, 23:01

Originally Posted by St.Jimmy

My least fav provinces to take are the huge north eastern ones. Not just because of the undervelopment/slow growth or the mongols/tims as said earlier but i hate not being able to see everything in the provinces i own. So i spend alot of time finding the best places to put up watch towers. I dont know if anyone else has this problem lol. Seriously you should of seen the amount of watch towers in my Rus campaign lol. To come to think of it I dont think iv ever used a watch tower for there true purpose (if that is there true purpose?) to spy on enemy lands. Only my own.

Early on, setting up watchtowers can be a pain in the butt. It takes time to be able to see your entire province, and it will also cost relatively lots of florins (every florin counts early on). I think I had six watchtowers in Sarkel in my latest Turks-campaign.

For me, the "true" purpose of watchtowers is being able to see the whereabouts of enemy troops and/or foreign agents within my province.

**G^2** · 06-23-2008, 21:26

I would have to cast my vote for the eastern steppe provinces for all the reasons St. Jimmy stated. They have incredibly slow growth, the spawning ground of Timerids and Mongols, and most importantly, are huge. This makes them bad troop and money producing factories. The only good thing about them is your ability to see an enemy coming because the provinces are so large, yet this is counter balanced by how far you have to travel to keep it rebel free.

I tried a campaign in SS as the Cumans, and only lasted 10 or so turns because of how large and lowly populated the provinces were. I didn’t even have all the watchtowers up when I quite. Perhaps I should have packed up everything and migrated across the map.

Anonymous II, I play my campaigns exactly like you. Keep a good rep, tech up and take one enemy out at a time. I feel as though this is a more realistic approach to the game. Also, I found in SS where the diplomacy works better, playing in such a manner is an advantage because of the AI's ability to spam decent stacks, making it difficult to fight more than two factions.

**uruk-hai** · 06-24-2008, 01:43

that small rebel town near one of the byzantine strating towns. takes for ever to glow.then if you take it . will soon be at war with one or 2 new enemys. not worth keeping a lot of troops in there. becurse it will get attack offen,and makes no were near the money you would need to pay for the troops,that are needed to keep it safe.

city does make a good money maker later in the game.only good thing about it befor it strats to glow in to a big town. is you can offen sell it to the ai for a bit of money.