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    Default New General Units : Historical Question

    Hey all. I've added this question to the unoffical mods location, but this is primarily a historical and gameplay question.

    I'm adding a few new general units, since some areas would seem to be out of place. New general units will remedy this, since both through leaving a few unit slots open and Alex mod, there are plenty of open unit spaces.

    Here are the units I'm adding. Biggest questions here are : What units would be closest to an Iberian and Ethiopian Client Kings Bodyguard?

    Arabian Chieftain : Basically, arabian missile cavalry tribal levies without any missle fire, better stats, and small change to thier modelling to only charge. This unit will be the default unit throughout Nabatea and Arabia.

    DONE

    Judean Puppet Prince : Modelled off of Kings Herod and Aggripa; who had bodyguards consisting of Gauls, Germans, and Thracians. This is basically a small change to the Ptolemy's "Kleruchoi" unit, with a Judean Royal Seal blended into thier shield, making the distinction that this territory always required the facade of independence until later provincial status. This unit will be recuitable based off of Hellenized of Romanized Judeans siding with the faction owning Judea. This unit is only recruitable in Judea, and will be the default general here.

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    Axumite Prince : HAven't even started this one. Unfortunately, not very familiar with Axumite units. Would a local general of Axum have a core of local Cavalry beefing him up, or would he be with the infantry?Which unit would be best used as an axumite prince? I have already brought back the Eithiopia Agema in this build, so if you feel that this unit would best represent an Axumite general's bodyguard, please feel free to say so. Would they accopany the Heavy Infantry, Cavalry or possibly the Archers? or would they still have chariots?

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    Indian Majarajah : Basically only recruited in India. Just as Alexander gave much of the Indian lands he conquered back to thier native Rulers, they would have kept thier royal retainers. Further, they simply have a small number of loyal, unroutable Indian elephants. (very small in number) This has been completed; the only question is; what to call them?

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    Iberian Lesser King : I know nothing about what puppet kings might have been like in Iberia. What unit best describes thier ratainers? I'm currently thinking the Iberian Heavy Infantry or the Iberian Medium Cavalry. Any anyone has any suggestions, please fee free. Haven't even started this one.

    MUCH INPUT NEEDED

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    Default Re: New General Units : Historical Question

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    Iberian Lesser King : I know nothing about what puppet kings might have been like in Iberia. What unit best describes their retainers? I'm currently thinking the Iberian Heavy Infantry or the Iberian Medium Cavalry. Any anyone has any suggestions, please fee free. Haven't even started this one.
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    If it's infantry, I would go with Ambarkaro

    If it's cavalry I would go with Iberi Lancaerii


    Now If I may add a request, you know Dosidataskellli? Well the EB team disabled their recruitment because they were more of a Vasci Bodyguard unit, and very rare.

    So maybe you could mod them in as a Mercenary general in that area?
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    Default Re: New General Units : Historical Question

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:E...ia_200_BCE.PNGExcellent idea. By this map from Wiki, it looks like their territory borders about 3 different provinces.


    So I will create a general unit out of this unit for parts or Northern iberia, and perhaps a unit based on the Iberian Medium Cavalry for the rest of Iberia, with slightly better stats.

    Iberian heavy cavalry seem to be a strictly Carthaginian related unit. Therefore, tribal chiefs of Iberia, being exceptionally known for cavalry, would seem to follow more the Medium Cavalry role; only slightly better since they were the local king's retainers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olaf The Great View Post
    If it's infantry, I would go with Ambarkaro

    If it's cavalry I would go with Iberi Lancaerii


    Now If I may add a request, you know Dosidataskellli? Well the EB team disabled their recruitment because they were more of a Vasci Bodyguard unit, and very rare.

    So maybe you could mod them in as a Mercenary general in that area?
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    Default Re: New General Units : Historical Question

    The Dunaminaca seem like more line troops of the Cerltiberians; not really personal bodyguards. And the standard Celtic Lesser King unit is fairly close to this unit in any case. Two general types in Iberia seem sufficient. There's a few other units types I'm hoping to add before I run out of slots.

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    This should be incorporated into EB 1.2. It'd be awesome to hear of your progress, Brymht. Sorry I can't be of any help, as my knowledge in these matters is ridiculously limited.

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    Default Re: New General Units : Historical Question

    I believe I've got all my client state units setup. Here's what I decided on.

    1. Ethiopian Client Prince : Basically, a very slightly beefed up unit of Ethiopian Swordsmen. Only recruitable in 3 - 4 territories in the southeast.

    2. Arab Chieftain : Recruitable throughout the Penninsula, Sinai, and Nabataea.

    3. Indian Hyparkhos (Vice Regent) : Indian Elephant General recruitable in the Indian territories.

    4. Judean Client King : Western Mercenaries makign up the Judean Royal Guard. Only recruitable in Judea.

    5. Dosidataskeli : Unit previously taken out of the game. Will the the default cleint kings in 3 territories in Northern Iberia, and recruitable general's bodyguards in another 2.

    6. Iberian Tribal Chief : Iberian Medium Cavalry, recruitable in Southern and Eastern Iberia.

    NOTE : Incidentally, the Uachtarach DuboGaiscaocha have become a merc unit; and one which only spawns very infrequently in my mod.
    Any other suggestions? I need some room for more units, but if anyone has any terrific and smewhat historically accurate ideas, I'm open.

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