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    From the NYT: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/22/op...=1&oref=slogin

    The State of Iraq: An Update
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    By JASON CAMPBELL, MICHAEL O’HANLON and AMY UNIKEWICZ
    Published: June 22, 2008

    IRAQ remains a violent country plagued by high unemployment, raw wounds from sectarian conflict, extremist militias aided by Iran, more than four million people still displaced by violence, and very limited government capacity to meet the country’s core needs. There has, however, been major progress this spring on two fronts. Together they give reason for hope that the major improvement in security resulting from the surge of American forces may endure even as the surge itself ends this July.


    The State of Iraq in Numbers First, the government of Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki showed real backbone by undertaking major military operations that ultimately reclaimed Iraq’s chief southern city of Basra, the Baghdad neighborhood of Sadr City, and much of the northern city of Mosul. Iraq’s government now controls almost all of the country for the first time since the overthrow of Saddam Hussein.

    Second, in these recent battles the Iraqi security forces performed far better than previously. While American (and British) combat support and advisory teams remain critical, Iraqis are doing much of the fighting now. Although some units performed badly, as with the Iraqi Army’s inexperienced 52nd Brigade in the Basra operation, the reasons have been identified and addressed. The Pentagon now rates about 55 percent of the Iraqi security forces as “good” or “very good” — and for the first time, such American metrics seem accurate.

    On the whole, we feel that the Iraqi government is about halfway to meeting the 11 “Iraq index” benchmarks we have laid out, which include steps like establishing provincial election laws, reaching an oil-revenue sharing accord and enacting pension and amnesty laws. (Our system allows a score of 0, 0.5, or 1 for each category, and is dynamic, meaning we can subtract points for backsliding.)

    It would be too much to talk of imminent victory in Iraq. But we may at least be able to avert strategic defeat with a careful plan for gradual handoff of more responsibility to the Iraqi government over the coming years.

    Jason Campbell is a research analyst at the Brookings Institution in Washington. Michael O’Hanlon is a senior fellow at Brookings. Amy Unikewicz is a graphic designer in South Norwalk, Conn.

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    Holy !!!

    When did we get Sadr City?!
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    Holy !!!

    When did we get Sadr City?!
    When Al-Sadr was pressured by Sistani and khamenei to do a deal with Mailki and told his militia to not fight Iraqis and only attack the coilition . The price demanded was a change in military and police leadership for Basra though their prime choice was turned down and they got a compromise commnder that both the Sadrists and Badr brigade could agree on .

    The current status of Iraq will be determined in December , it all depends on what deal Maliki does with Khamenei , and at present it doesn't look like the deal is going to be by any stretch of the imagination what could be called a win for the coilition .

    It will be vital to me that my government stands behind the mission, for I will be going there next year not long after the inaugural adress. I seriously doubt that my marching orders will change no matter who gets elected.
    Didn't you know that its out of your governments hands no matter who wins in November ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman View Post
    When Al-Sadr was pressured by Sistani and khamenei to do a deal with Mailki and told his militia to not fight Iraqis and only attack the coilition . The price demanded was a change in military and police leadership for Basra though their prime choice was turned down and they got a compromise commnder that both the Sadrists and Badr brigade could agree on .

    The current status of Iraq will be determined in December , it all depends on what deal Maliki does with Khamenei , and at present it doesn't look like the deal is going to be by any stretch of the imagination what could be called a win for the coilition .
    Do we have any idea yet what Saudi's view of the resultant Iraqi government will be? I can't imagine they'll be too pleased with an Iran-dominated Iraqi state, while I can't see Iran being satisfied with any Iraqi government where they don't have the greatest influence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    Do we have any idea yet what Saudi's view of the resultant Iraqi government will be? I can't imagine they'll be too pleased with an Iran-dominated Iraqi state, while I can't see Iran being satisfied with any Iraqi government where they don't have the greatest influence.
    As far as I am concerned what is bad for Saudi Arabia is good for the world. The government of Saudi Arabia has been double-dealing the west for years, feeding the religious extremists with reasons and excuses to hate the west, at times even encouraging it to focus its people on forgetting what their own government is doing to them. While at the same time the royal family continues to reap the wealth of a single vital resource.
    O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redleg View Post
    As far as I am concerned what is bad for Saudi Arabia is good for the world. The government of Saudi Arabia has been double-dealing the west for years, feeding the religious extremists with reasons and excuses to hate the west, at times even encouraging it to focus its people on forgetting what their own government is doing to them. While at the same time the royal family continues to reap the wealth of a single vital resource.
    Fair enough. I assumed that, as Saudi is at least ostensibly a US ally, there would have been some desire to back their side. Personally, even before the Iraq invasion, I felt Saudi and Pakistan were the two countries we should have done something about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tribesman View Post
    When Al-Sadr was pressured by Sistani and khamenei to do a deal with Mailki and told his militia to not fight Iraqis and only attack the coilition . The price demanded was a change in military and police leadership for Basra though their prime choice was turned down and they got a compromise commnder that both the Sadrists and Badr brigade could agree on .

    The current status of Iraq will be determined in December , it all depends on what deal Maliki does with Khamenei , and at present it doesn't look like the deal is going to be by any stretch of the imagination what could be called a win for the coilition .


    Didn't you know that its out of your governments hands no matter who wins in November ?
    I'm sorry Tribe, but I had to attend to some business for a bit, and just now got back to the Org. Do you really think that Washindton is going to let Al Malaki ruin all the hard work done so far? They will stall or ignore him until they can see him replaced. This matter is too serious to leave in the hands of someone so obviously in the Iranian camp. It is really at the crux of the matter that we finish the job. Iran's regime is licking its lips to see us fail, now that we have done all their dirty work for them. These are the times which shall try mens' souls, in the words of Thomas Paine. We are about to witness something something remarkable in our times, a people who have never known a real representative Democracy in their history could finally achieve it, and eveyone seems to want to see it fail. I hate this war with every fiber of my being, but sometimes the rain must fall before the sunshine appears. I think that something astounding could happen here despite the intentions of those who started this conflict. If we quit now, it will only mean another victory for the forces of tyranny.

    PS: I would have thought that ridding the world of tyranny is something an Irishman would applaude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rotorgun View Post
    PS: I would have thought that ridding the world of tyranny is something an Irishman would applaude.
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