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    Default Re: The Current Status of the Conflict in Iraq

    Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
    It isnt flawed when the argument is the militaries of the current enemies will stop an action. Israeli action into palastine hasnt been stopped, nor was the raid on syrian nuke plant, nor was it stopped in the invasion of lebanon.

    those work for you?
    Not really. Syria could work as an example, but Lebanon and Palestine don't. All the surrounding governments care about there is the bad press for Israel, but seeing as they don't care either way what it's like in those regions there's no way they would retaliate over those issues - whether they could even do so is an entirely different matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoffrey S View Post
    Not really. Syria could work as an example, but Lebanon and Palestine don't. All the surrounding governments care about there is the bad press for Israel, but seeing as they don't care either way what it's like in those regions there's no way they would retaliate over those issues - whether they could even do so is an entirely different matter.
    the argument presented to me was essentially Israel wont do airstrikes because the military of its enemies wont allow it. So the argument is, whether they could or could not. I've put forth examples of where Israel did infact act via air strikes without reprisal on the actual operation.

    I havent seen an argument that contradicts this, or there ability to do so in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
    the argument presented to me was essentially Israel wont do airstrikes because the military of its enemies wont allow it. So the argument is, whether they could or could not. I've put forth examples of where Israel did infact act via air strikes without reprisal on the actual operation.

    I havent seen an argument that contradicts this, or there ability to do so in the future.
    All I am saying is that using Palestine, and later on also Lebanon, as an example of the inability of surrounding nations to intervene is entirely irrelevant. They haven't retaliated over those issues because they don't care either way - it says nothing at all about their (possible lack of) capability to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoffrey S View Post
    All I am saying is that using Palestine, and later on also Lebanon, as an example of the inability of surrounding nations to intervene is entirely irrelevant. They haven't retaliated over those issues because they don't care either way - it says nothing at all about their (possible lack of) capability to do so.
    I know what your saying, your just not backing it up with any fact other then your opinion on what they believe to be relevant or irrelevant.

    I understand what your saying, but it dosent support or deny the argument of able to defend and prevent, its conjecture. on the other hand the examples I have given are facts to support my claim that israel can enact the airstrike, its more then my opinion.
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