The Current Status of the Conflict in Iraq

[Tribesman]

Where is that Odin , whassup did you actually read Panzers link or something ?
Did you notice perhaps that in the short space of a year the assesment which was already in the very very risky operation category is now even further out of date on its risk assesment:inquisitive
Israel really needs to get its arse in gear doesn't it because them Iranians are spending their petro money like crazy and doing deals with countries which make the roundabout southern route the only real possibility (which they cannot manage anyway without the US)

Then again since you wrote ...

He made an absolute statement here, let him back it up with a reference, you posting bails him out (unless he has the source to verify his statement of fact).

...it does sort of show that you hadn't read Panzers link .

Would you like the latest DEBKA reports on the issue ?

Well Odin ?...

[Odin]

Where is that Odin , whassup did you actually read Panzers link or something ?
Did you notice perhaps that in the short space of a year the assesment which was already in the very very risky operation category is now even further out of date on its risk assesment:inquisitive
Israel really needs to get its arse in gear doesn't it because them Iranians are spending their petro money like crazy and doing deals with countries which make the roundabout southern route the only real possibility (which they cannot manage anyway without the US)

Then again since you wrote ... ...it does sort of show that you hadn't read Panzers link .

Would you like the latest DEBKA reports on the issue ?

Well Odin ?...

Thanks tribes, I knew you wouldnt be able to support your position with something other then your tripe and

However the request stands, care to support your claim that Isreal cannot conduct an airstrike on Iran due to (what was the 1st one?) territorial claims by hostile nations, or the inability to travel the distance?

[Tribesman]

I see odin you havn't even read Panzers link on the assesment Thats not very clever of you is it

However the request stands

Don't you realise that all the relevant information has already been posted that fully answers your request and doesn't leave you a leg to stand on .

Your position is rather akin to claiming that America can put a man on mars next year because they have a space program and put men on the moon before .
So Odin your view is that Israel is willing to risk losing its entire long range strike force , use its entire tanker fleet , almost all its specilist weapons , commit acts of war against several countries at a time when it is desperate to make peace with those countries , face up to a retaliation that it is unable to counter , further damage the worlds economy and completely wreck its own at the same time , not to mention completely screwing America ....all on an operation that has a very very major risk of total failure and if by some miracle it does succeed in all aspects doesn't go anywhere near achieving what is needed .
Yes Odin the writing is definately on the wall for this one going ahead , right next to the writing that says Clinton is going to be your next president .

[Odin]

So Odin your view is that Israel is willing to risk losing its entire long range strike force , use its entire tanker fleet , almost all its specilist weapons , commit acts of war against several countries at a time when it is desperate to make peace with those countries , face up to a retaliation that it is unable to counter , further damage the worlds economy and completely wreck its own at the same time , not to mention completely screwing America ....all on an operation that has a very very major risk of total failure and if by some miracle it does succeed in all aspects doesn't go anywhere near achieving what is needed .

No tribes my view is that Israel is capable of making the air strike and if the Iranians continue to persue nukes the writting on the wall based on historical precedent is very clear.

The fact you want to dance around this is indicative of your inability to admit when your wrong. Additionally you posted no evidence what so ever to support your claims which is becoming a frequent unattractive practice for you.

But hey, your not letting me down my expectations for you were low going in.

Of course the offer is still there, care to support your claim:

So Odin since Israel doesn't have the ability to do the job the job is not going to be done by Israel no matter how much you like to think that the writing is on the wall . Remember this Iranian program is put together in light of events at Osirak and planned against the possibility of US strikes from naval assets or allied airbases . which means you should think a little more before writing....

Maybe you should think a little more before writing because by your own contraditction you state

So Odin your view is that Israel is willing to risk losing its entire long range strike force , use its entire tanker fleet , almost all its specilist weapons , commit acts of war against several countries at a time when it is desperate to make peace with those countries , face up to a retaliation that it is unable to counter , further damage the worlds economy and completely wreck its own at the same time , not to mention completely screwing America ....all on an operation that has a very very major risk of total failure and if by some miracle it does succeed in all aspects doesn't go anywhere near achieving what is needed .

guess you werent thinking were you? so does this qualification mean that they infact can do the job tribesman? or is this simply you pulling more tripe out of your ass?

[Odin]

Note to Redleg and Tribesman as much as I am enjoying the back and forths I might have to go out of town on business and wont be able to check this board for a few days. I can probably reply again today later on but if its pressing both are more then welcome to PM me.

Again it isnt by choice but practicality that I may not be able to offer adequate replies to the poppycock I know both of you will put forth for a few days.

[Tribesman]

Additionally you posted no evidence what so ever to support your claims which is becoming a frequent unattractive practice for you.

I didn't have to , I told you where all the information is freely available , plus Panzers link does much of the work for me (perhaps you should read it as it isn't that long)

guess you werent thinking were you? so does this qualification mean that they infact can do the job tribesman? or is this simply you pulling more tripe out of your ass?

No Odin because each element is conditional on other factors and there is absolutely no way those factors can be met , they could magicly double the range of the I versions and still not be able to do it .

is this simply you pulling more tripe out of your ass?

No odin its more reasons why the writing isn't on the wall at all .

The fact you want to dance around this is indicative of your inability to admit when your wrong.

That is so funny when it is you who have come into it without the faintest idea of what is involved and seem to base your whole arguement on "they bombed Iraq and Syria didn't they " .
Before you try and tell someone they are wrong it might be a good idea for you to find out a little of what the subject involves

[Redleg]

I didn't have to , I told you where all the information is freely available , plus Panzers link does much of the work for me (perhaps you should read it as it isn't that long)


No Odin because each element is conditional on other factors and there is absolutely no way those factors can be met , they could magicly double the range of the I versions and still not be able to do it .

Tribesman it really comes down to one simple fact, if Israel had the ability to take out Iran's nuclear ambitions they would of done so, back in the early phases of Iran's building up of thier program. Any discussion about Israel's ability must first take this into account. Its very telling to me that neither have attempted to demonstrate why Israel has not launched an attack as of yet.


However I will continue to just read your arguement since your more then correct on why they haven't elected to attempt it with the new aircraft they have. Frankly Israel lacks the ability and will not do so until they face destruction by Iran, and even then its going to be done as a Mutual Assured Destruction scenerio much like the US-USSR nuclear weapon standoff.

Even the United States with all our tech are still primarily focused on negogations and diplomacy in getting Iran to limit their development. The genie is out of the bottle for Iran in regards to nuclear weapons and everyone knows it. Now its about doing the same thing with Iran that was done with North Korea - attempt to contain it as best as it can be. My best guess is that the United States is not going to war with Iran over Nuclear Technology, if we do it will be a whole series of combination of events.

Just like the recent talk of establishing a dipolmatic office once again in Iran demonstrates.

[Tribesman]

However I will continue to just read your arguement since your more then correct on why they haven't elected to attempt it with the new aircraft they have.

Well the thing there Red is they do have plans to upgrade all (or the majority of) the other 15s and 16s to I versions , but they havn't managed to get the time or the money to do so due to other events , same with purchasing new tankers and buying enough bunker busters .
All the while Iran has been spending like a politician at election time on new equipment and upgrades .(just like some of the other countries involved who now have a very different military than they did at the time of the Iraq raid) .

It really at the moment would be a case of putting all your eggs on one basket with a dodgy handle and a badly patched hole and I cannot for the life of me see Israel doing anything apart from leaving their eggs in the coop .