Regarding phoenicians and greeks

[Cyclops]

Hunter and gatherer nomads appearing so long ago wouldn't leave impressions in Greek myths.

We have thse mythical figures:

a)Cadmos the Phoenician. He founded Thebes and brought the alphabet in Greece.
b)Pelops a Phrygian or Lydian that came to Greece and won a crown. The Peloponnese took its name from him
c)Danaos, brother of Aegyptus and son of Belus a mythical Egyptian king. He fled Egypt and went to Argos winning his crown.

And others I forget. These show some memories of rulers from the east.

They also show that archaic/helladic peoples in the region weren't repelled by the idea of recognising/claiming descent from eastern folks. Perhaps there was less of an "us vs them" or superiority complex in the Helladic mindset?

I suspect that the real xenophobia comes after periods of Greek dominance and confidence: eg the Athenian resentment of Macedon after their brief empire fell, or increasing Macedonian/Hellenic contempt for Persia after Plataea/Xenephon/Alexander.

The Carthaginians bloodied the Greeks noses for them many a time, severely restricting them from the western Med (with Etruscan help c500 BCE IIRC) and denying them complete control of Sicily. Did the Karthis seek to colonise Sicvily, or were they trying to clear the field of commercial rivals and leave a light colonial rule?

I suspect the Hellenes respected them as hard opponents and commercial rivals. However there was a "Hellenic club" and its members were more likely to cooperate together against outsiders.

I imagine the Greeks never had contempt for the Karthis like they came to have for Persia, perhaps because they never conquered them.

[Vorian]

The Carthaginians bloodied the Greeks noses for them many a time, severely restricting them from the western Med (with Etruscan help c500 BCE IIRC) and denying them complete control of Sicily. Did the Karthis seek to colonise Sicvily, or were they trying to clear the field of commercial rivals and leave a light colonial rule?

Well they did have colonies in the Western part. Imo, they fought Greeks for the same reasons they later fought Romans. Control of Sicily and western Meditarennean trade

[Hax]

b)Pelops a Phrygian or Lydian that came to Greece and won a crown. The Peloponnese took its name from him

Wasn't he the grandson of Tantalos?

[Ibrahim]

Wasn't he the grandson of Tantalos?

or son? if he was the fellow who won his crown in a chariot race.

[Vorian]

Yeah he won in the chariot race...and he was son of Tantalus

[Cambyses]

Well, they were rivals and often enemies.

Dont forget aeneas supposedly sheltered with Dido in Carthage after the fall of Troy. ie even in such ancient times Phoenicians were allied to the enemies of Greece. Then of course the Persians used the Phoenician navy quite extensively during their empire. Again these often fought directly against the Greeks, espeically the Athenians. If I remember right various Athenian excursions to Egypt (supporting revolts against the Persians) were defeated by navies containing Phoenician ships. And dont forget Alexander's very bloody conquest of Tyre and Sidon.

Greeks set a lot of store by this kind of ancient history. Im sure the Phoenicians did likewise...

Also, the commerical rivalry cant be underestimated. In many parts of the world it would have been a familiar sight for greek and phoenician traders competing for the same goods.

[Vorian]

Well, they were rivals and often enemies.

Dont forget aeneas supposedly sheltered with Dido in Carthage after the fall of Troy. ie even in such ancient times Phoenicians were allied to the enemies of Greece. Then of course the Persians used the Phoenician navy quite extensively during their empire. Again these often fought directly against the Greeks, espeically the Athenians. If I remember right various Athenian excursions to Egypt (supporting revolts against the Persians) were defeated by navies containing Phoenician ships. And dont forget Alexander's very bloody conquest of Tyre and Sidon.

Greeks set a lot of store by this kind of ancient history. Im sure the Phoenicians did likewise...

Also, the commerical rivalry cant be underestimated. In many parts of the world it would have been a familiar sight for greek and phoenician traders competing for the same goods.

In my view the whole Greek-Phoenician conflict was like this.

The student (Greeks after Dorian invasions) manages to reach the teacher and they fight for the first place until the student finally surpasses and destroys the teacher. Greeks won that centuries old conflict with Alexander and the Phoenicians disappeared from the major scene, leaving only their Carthaginian relatives, that didn't do much until the Romans arrived.