So, how come Makedon can't recruit Thorakitai?

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Reverend Joe 16:11 06-26-2008

Is there a historical reasoning behind this, or is it just an oversight; or did you run out of model spaces or what?

And if it's one of the latter two, is there a way of allowing the Makedonians to recruit Hellenic/Seleukid Thorakitai, or would it cause problems in-game?

The reason I ask is because I really want to play the Makedonians, but I am bothered by their lack of Thorakitai; they just seem like such an essential part of the battle-line, especially in later years.

keravnos 16:14 06-26-2008

They went for Hysteroi Pezhetairoi instead. Only Makedonia has Hysteroi Pezhetairoi.
I think Makedonikoi Peltastai are great in that "Thorakitai" role. More expensive, true but also more versatile.

paullus 19:18 06-26-2008

but you can mod it in fairly easily i think.

abou 19:44 06-26-2008

In EBII at least the Seleukids will also have the Hysteroi Pezhetairoi as well. The main problem right now is that we ran into model limits and used the Merc Trick.

Reverend Joe 20:16 06-26-2008

Originally Posted by paullus:
but you can mod it in fairly easily i think.

Yeah, but... how? I got no idea how all those files work.

||Lz3|| 20:30 06-26-2008

I'm going to have to start saving some money to change my lap , since my current one can't stand MTW

Hax 20:41 06-26-2008

Originally Posted by :
In EBII at least the Seleukids will also have the Hysteroi Pezhetairoi as well. The main problem right now is that we ran into model limits and used the Merc Trick.

So the Seleucids also adapted their armour due to wars with the Romans? I know the Macedonians were involved in a lot of wars with them, but seeing the size of the Seleucid empire, did they really make an entire empire-wide reform for the Pezhetairoi?

abou 01:15 06-27-2008

Chain mail wasn't adapted because of the Romans - the stuff was slowly becoming more and more popular since the armor's introduction by the Celts in the Galatian invasion (and possibly also due to a similar development in Arabia). The conflict with Rome maybe caused a jump in adoption, but that wasn't the genesis of it.

russia almighty 06:13 06-27-2008

I'm actually interested in that. Chain developed independently in Southern Arabia?

Never knew that.

MeinPanzer 11:52 06-27-2008

Originally Posted by abou:
(and possibly also due to a similar development in Arabia).

Could you expound upon this a little bit?

abou 18:07 06-27-2008

Something called David's Weave and first appear in 400 BC and made of bronze in Southern Arabia, I think. The member who first read about it isn't active anymore as school has gotten the best of him. I hope that gives you enough to hopefully track down where it was published. Apparently it is only known in a few circles, but you've got pretty mad skills, MP, so I'm sure you could find it.

Then again, it might not even be published and I could look like an ass.

Zarax 18:43 06-27-2008

This might help:

http://books.google.it/books?id=R4j_-Z_S_asC&pg=PA189&lpg=PA189&dq=%22david's+Weave%22&source=web&ots=UpMY26mQsH&sig=bRH5MJmn9wd9-EWzIv3giZAWcZA&hl=it&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result

MeinPanzer 20:28 06-27-2008

Thanks for the info. If these references are to mentions of mail armour in poetry, then they are almost certainly from the last few centuries before the emergence of Islam. There very well could be unpublished traces of armour from that early, but I've not seen any mention of them in recent literature on southern Arabian archaeology.

Socy 22:01 06-27-2008

Originally Posted by abou:
In EBII at least the Seleukids will also have the Hysteroi Pezhetairoi as well. The main problem right now is that we ran into model limits and used the Merc Trick.

Seleukids! Hysteroi Pezhetairoi!? My favourite faction just got even more awesome! Completely of topic, but you guys need to make Steles for all the changes to existing factions. Especially the Seleukids

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