best faction to turtle with?

[shinderhizzle84]

i do love spain, but their early game is much too fast paced for me. I was just doing sicily until about turn 50, when i randomly went deep into debt in one turn (wtf???). lol, i had like, 9000 florins one turn and then the next i had -1032 or something like that lol...weird...

[G^2]

@ shinderhizzle84

Things to consider for drop in income.

1)Did someone declare war on you? If so you lost trade right with that faction.

2)Did you recently create a large army or fleet? Perhaps your income can't support the upkeep for it. Also, fleets are increadably expensive to maintain.

3)Did you construct an expernsive building? This can also cause a trade deficet (sp?) for a turn or two.

4)Sometimes you have bad harvests which can fluctuate your income, also trade lanes can change for example Marselle could have constructed a port redirecting trade in Genoa from Naples.

My guess is someone blocked one of your ports for one turn and thus you have lost trade rights with them. Check in the diplomacy scroll and see if your at war with anyone.

[shinderhizzle84]

yea that's got to be it: the stupid hre randomly blockaded naples. the funny thing is that i don't ever really remember ever granting trade rights with them, so.....w/e i will try to make a ceasefire or something, or at least get some trade rights with the milanese and venitians (they are both filthy rich, like, 50 cent rich :D) then hopefully i will be able to continue producing norman knights (who, btw, i must say, freaking rock!!!)

still people, don't stop giving me suggesstions just because i've found a good faction! By all means, please keep them coming!!

[ArtistofWarfare]

I like to turtle early myself...identify where my attacker will come from, and prepare my first "push" in the way of a counter attack. For various reasons.

Is Venice a decent faction to turtle with? I've heard their late game is strong...navy/tech. And I do like Venetian Heavy Inf already.

[G^2]

@ ArtistofWarfare

Personally, everytime I play as Venice someone tends to attack me early on. Thus, I personally would not use them as a turtal faction. Even when my reputation was high, there are just too many factions that share borders with Vinece.

Turtling aside, Vinece is one of my favorite factions to play as and has great units and plenty of options for expantion which makes for an interesting game.

[ArtistofWarfare]

@ G^2:

Cool thanks.

I might go with them anyway. I've decided that for my first m2 campaign I would accept the "game's challenge" and only select my faction from the ones first available (as opposed to unlocking the others manually).

I spent a good 3 hours in custom battles last night on h and vh with venice vs france...in all sorts of scenarios. Was fun stuff, and yeah Venice seems to go in line with my infantry sided mindset.

I'm going to try out France, England and Spain a bit tonight just to be sure...but from what I already know of them, Venice might be a good place to start.

[G^2]

Venices has a great unit roaster. Italian Spear Militia are awsome, Venetian Archers are also a great choice, (I think there is an armor upgrade bug though) along with Venetian Heavy Infantry. If you upgrade ISM to partial plate, they are perhaps the most powerful spear unit in the early game.

[russveld]

Most definatly veice. they have amazing opportunities for profit on their capital. and they get amazing units. venitain achers are my favorite unit. they can hold their own in hand2hand for long enough for the veneians heaveys to get there. i always turtle with venice. and have never lost. and ive only been bankrupt once.

[oz_wwjd]

I'm finding that Portugal isn't too bad, I conquered the penisula early,and Portuguese Arquebusiers + jinettes combo works well on defense

[Askthepizzaguy]

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...49#post3512549


I like the Evil Polar Bear faction.

[TheLastPrivate]

i do love spain, but their early game is much too fast paced for me. I was just doing sicily until about turn 50, when i randomly went deep into debt in one turn (wtf???). lol, i had like, 9000 florins one turn and then the next i had -1032 or something like that lol...weird...

That's probably not caused by a single origin but make sure that the rebels/enemies are not blocking your trade roads as well. Enemy army (especially rebels) blocking road to harbor is fatal to income.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

That's probably not caused by a single origin but make sure that the rebels/enemies are not blocking your trade roads as well. Enemy army (especially rebels) blocking road to harbor is fatal to income.

This could be caused by plague though ...
In my Spanish campaign a long time ago the plague took my about -30k in dept
That happened within just 3 turns if I remember correctly...
And that time I was fighting against almost everyone
I managed to balance the income so after the plague went away (It took more than 20 turns to get rid of it because of a single French spy who traveled between my towns) I had the one turns income somewhere around 50-60k
To balance the income I had to disband most of my armies though

EDIT: My 400th post!!!!!