best faction to turtle with?

**Flavius Merobaudes** · 07-10-2008, 15:39

You can easily fix the graphical bug of the armour upgrades by changing their sequence in the EDU:

Code:

armour_ug_models Venetian_Archers, Venetian_Archers_ug1
should read:
armour_ug_models Venetian_Archers_ug1, Venetian_Archers

The same goes for Retinue Longbows or any other unit with this kind of bug.

**ArtistofWarfare** · 07-11-2008, 23:33

Originally Posted by Flavius Merobaudes

You can easily fix the graphical bug of the armour upgrades by changing their sequence in the EDU:

Code:

armour_ug_models Venetian_Archers, Venetian_Archers_ug1
should read:
armour_ug_models Venetian_Archers_ug1, Venetian_Archers

The same goes for Retinue Longbows or any other unit with this kind of bug.

1) is it simply a graphical bug , or are armor values of these units actually bugged?

2) As some have said about protecting against the HRE- This is entirely what I will be doing with a defensive border established to the north of my home cities...

I will place a couple of half stacks in ambush position, get some defences up and then begin focusing my efforts towards valuable lands south and east ...as I can't imagine I'll have much interest in Germanic regions.

**FactionHeir** · 07-11-2008, 23:56

1) Just a reference bug in the EDU. Except for visuals, it has no effect.

**ArtistofWarfare** · 07-12-2008, 00:03

cool...not too concerned about it then.

Either way, it's good information...I'd imagine that when I get a little more crafty with editing files I'll develop an interest in things like that as well.

**Chaotix** · 07-12-2008, 00:19

Oh, btw ArtistofWarfare, a neat trick with Venice: On turn 1, you can buy Bologna from the HRE for just a regular tribute of 1000 for 6 turns! It helps to even out the score with Milan in the early game, and you even get 5 free merc xbows with it. Try to get to Florence first, too.

EDIT: guess I should have read the last 5 posts!

anyway, I think 6000 is probably the lowest you can buy Bologna for, so thats some "new" info there.

**ArtistofWarfare** · 07-12-2008, 00:35

Originally Posted by Chaotix27

Oh, btw ArtistofWarfare, a neat trick with Venice: On turn 1, you can buy Bologna from the HRE for just a regular tribute of 1000 for 6 turns! It helps to even out the score with Milan in the early game, and you even get 5 free merc xbows with it. Try to get to Florence first, too.

EDIT: guess I should have read the last 5 posts!

anyway, I think 6000 is probably the lowest you can buy Bologna for, so thats some "new" info there.

Is it really worth that kind of expense, or would an early skirmish or two with the HRE be worth it for a province like that?

I understand that this would destroy longterm relations but- unless the HRE just becomes my #1 ally (they might due to their positioning and mutual enemies, I'll have to see the map) what difference would it make you know?

**Chaotix** · 07-12-2008, 01:08

Hmm... I dunno, but if you spread it out as a 6 turn tribute of 1000, you barely notice it- the city pays for itself with interest, and yes, you can maintain peace w/ the HRE which is essential if you're planning on attacking other factions first. And you get 5 merc xbows as a garrison free after buying it, which I used some of to attack Florence on the next turn- considering you'll have to build fairly expensive archery ranges or militia squares before you can recruit them yourself.

Also, you have to watch out for Sicily as well as Milan. In my VH campaign, they attacked Crete with their whole army and took it- course, it also left Palermo and Naples undefended. I think securing all of Italy and its rich cities is probably the best early strategy for Venice. Then you can go after just about anyone else, but I like to invade Spain or the Byzantines at that point.