Surprisingly good units

**Dutchhoplite** · 07-02-2008, 19:14

Not the best troops but they surprised me when they defeated an attack from the Carthaginians:

**Tyrfingr** · 07-03-2008, 00:14

Velites and Illyrian Cavalry, you got to worship them otherwise the velites will pepper you with javelins, charge your lines, hold you down until the Illyrians sneak up behind your backs and stick those AP-lances where the sun don't shine.

Illyrian coastal leavies are great too...

**Centurio Nixalsverdrus** · 07-03-2008, 00:48

Skutjanz

They aren't that bad as archers, and once done with archering, they can plug gaps in your line with their spears, which can save the day for you. That many of them will die is rather unimportant since they are so cheap to replace.

Agrianikoi Pelekephoroi

I think they are just great. They are fast, can hurl their javelins a really long distance and are, most of all, apart-rippers of such godlike units like Thorakitai Argyraspides. You only have to keep them out of missile fire.

**QuintusSertorius** · 07-03-2008, 01:01

I'm not sure assault troops, who are by their very nature pretty good, qualify as "surprisingly" so.

**Havok.** · 07-03-2008, 02:28

Combine this two cheap light infantary and you'll have a superb awesome fighting force, that can deal with basicly everything !

i love them!

**Fondor_Yards** · 07-03-2008, 08:23

The Iabarannta are far better then I would have given them credit for. For whatever reason, whenever I let cavalry get in meele with them for more then 10 seconds, they start slaughtering them. Not just my Leuce Epos and Brihentin, but even my gold chevron Saka Cataphracts. Even when fighting my infantry they seem to do more damage then they should. I don't really remember fighting the Gaesamica, but since they have the exact same stats and model I'd image they just as strangely good.

I find these guys often more useful then my cataphracts in my Saka campaign. Very good heavy cavalry, just as useful as cataphracts since they are fast moving, hardy, and very good in meele against other cavalry. Catas often get exhausted after only a few charges, while these guys can keep going all battle long. I would have at least as many or more of them in my Indo-Greek armies then my Ysaninu Aysiramj. Plus look at that skin, they are dead sexy.

**Tyrfingr** · 07-03-2008, 10:50

The rorarii might be discarded as crappy garrison units, but think again! The huge stack of javelins gives these guy an advantage to similar units, and because of the close formation, they can actually hold down enemies while you send in the flankers. Before the polybian reforms, the rorarii is great!

**Justinian II** · 07-05-2008, 02:21

Agrianikoi Pelekephoroi

I think they are just great. They are fast, can hurl their javelins a really long distance and are, most of all, apart-rippers of such godlike units like Thorakitai Argyraspides. You only have to keep them out of missile fire.

I don't think I've ever seen these guys; who gets them and where?

**QuintusSertorius** · 07-05-2008, 02:37

Originally Posted by Justinian II

I don't think I've ever seen these guys; who gets them and where?

Makedonia and Epeiros in Pella, Tylis and Demetrias. Need a L4 factional barracks for them.

**Cadwalader** · 07-05-2008, 12:30

Perhaps not that surprising, but I think most iberian units are brutal. That's why taking Iberia's been like shoving meat into a grinder in my Karthadast campaign. I can't wait to get them myself.

**QuintusSertorius** · 07-05-2008, 12:34

Originally Posted by Cadwalader

Perhaps not that surprising, but I think most iberian units are brutal. That's why taking Iberia's been like shoving meat into a grinder in my Karthadast campaign. I can't wait to get them myself.

If anything, Qarthadast's Iberian roster is better than the Lusotanni's.

**Ludens** · 07-05-2008, 13:09

Originally Posted by QuintusSertorius

Makedonia and Epeiros in Pella, Tylis and Demetrias. Need a L4 factional barracks for them.

Minor correction: they are available in Pella, Tylis and Serdike, not Demetrias.

**Tristuskhan** · 07-06-2008, 10:03

The only way I'm able to judge an unit "surprisingly good" is when I have problems breaking it...

For me the grand-champions are African Elite Pikemen. IA Karth-Hadasht fields huge numbers of them and when playing Ptollies I often see them inflicting huge losses to my Agema Klerouchon (attacking from the front) and Tindanotae (attacking from the rear). Tough nuts to crack...