Surprisingly bad units

[NeoSpartan]

Here are some units I find a bit underpowered



Brihentin



For a supposed shock cavalry I consider them weak. Dies quickly in melee. OK, I just stated above that cavalry is not for melee...

BULL*******!

When getting them into a melee vs lightly armored troops Alt+click. So the pull out them big old swords with .225 lethality and 10 attack value.

When getting them into a melee vs heavily armored troops click. Their short spears are AP and they use them at a decently fast rate.

They give a decent fight to much heavier cavarly (catas et al). Plus they are WAY cheaper.

[Fondor_Yards]

BULL*******!

When getting them into a melee vs lightly armored troops Alt+click. So the pull out them big old swords with .225 lethality and 10 attack value.

When getting them into a melee vs heavily armored troops click. Their short spears are AP and they use them at a decently fast rate.

They give a decent fight to much heavier cavarly (catas et al). Plus they are WAY cheaper.

The reason I see most people not liking Brihentin is because they think they will be elite heavy cavalry like their description says, use them like that and are disappointed. But look at their stats, and they are more like very heavy medium cavalry*if there is such a thing*. Think of them and use them like you would medium cavalry, and you won't be disappointed *at least I'm not.* Also he said they were "a bit underpowered," not that they sucked.

Truth be told, the late Makedonian FMs are tanks.

Hm? The only Successor faction to get reformed bodyguards is Baktria. You don't have to worry about them getting even heavier bodyguards.

thessalians are bad ass if used properly
i repeat they are NOT shock calvalry that will row up the dam battleline!!
leave hetairo and true heavy calv for that
hehe ur thraikens got ahnialateD? hahaha too bad :P always got more calv xD

Yea, they kinda are shock cavalry, their job in battle is/was to charge the enemy's flank to route them. If that's not shock cavalry I don't know what is. And how is that last line helpful in the least?



Also to Centurio Nixalsverdrus: Yes Epeiros can recruit them too.

[QuintusSertorius]

Hm? The only Successor faction to get reformed bodyguards is Baktria. You don't have to worry about them getting even heavier bodyguards.

In that case, Makedonian ones are easily beaten if you've got reasonably well-armoured, sword-armed cavalry. Because I've managed that one time and again with the much lighter Epirote bodyguard. Course having a lance-armed unit who can charge in and out of the melee while the sword-cavalry pin them in place helps, too. Generally though, I let them whittle their numbers down charging pointlessly against my lines first.

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

LOL. It's quite surprising how the benefits of Thessalian Cavalry reveal themselves to the one but not to the other. Quintus, you never really used Thessalian Cavalry. At best you hired a single mercenary unit without any upgrades or experience (logically, cause you don't own Thessalia in your game I presume) and compared it to your battle hardened fully chevroned Thraikioi. You think that Makedonians get another type of bodyguard unit. It's pointless to further discuss that matter with you cause obviously you don't have any significant knowledge about Hellenistic Cavalry in EB. You are the Roman guy, why not just stick to them Romans?

[Fondor_Yards]

Erm, if you look at his sig you'd see his last 2 campaigns are as Eperios...

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

Erm, if you look at his sig you'd see his last 2 campaigns are as Eperios...

"Epeiros as Pergamon", to be precise.

[Fondor_Yards]

Exactly, which cavalry would he be using then.

[QuintusSertorius]

LOL. It's quite surprising how the benefits of Thessalian Cavalry reveal themselves to the one but not to the other. Quintus, you never really used Thessalian Cavalry. At best you hired a single mercenary unit without any upgrades or experience (logically, cause you don't own Thessalia in your game I presume) and compared it to your battle hardened fully chevroned Thraikioi. You think that Makedonians get another type of bodyguard unit. It's pointless to further discuss that matter with you cause obviously you don't have any significant knowledge about Hellenistic Cavalry in EB. You are the Roman guy, why not just stick to them Romans?

Go have a look at either of my Pergamon AARs to see me using Thessalians (early on when I overestimated how effective they might be, based on their stats and their cost). See how poor they are. See me butchering Makedonian FMs with Epirote FMs and Thrakian Prodromoi. See that I actually know how to use my cavalry, as well.

I use Curepos, Illyrian Hippeis, Thrakian Prodromoi, Eastern Light Cavalry, Hellenistic Mercenary Generals and Epirote FMs to great effect. The only ones out of that lot who aren't mercenary for me are the Eastern Lights. We're not comparing apples with oranges, Thessalians are mercenary for me too.

So I don't pay much attention to the progression of factions I have no interest in playing, big deal. Still remains that I've killed their FMs with ease.

[Celtic_Punk]

plus Quintus is not the only one here who has said they've been let down on more than one occasion by thessalians

[Ludens]

I hate to admit this, but I think Thessalians underpowered as well. Stat-wise Prodromoi offer the same charge value and better stamina at 75% of the cost. Thessalians do better at close-combat, but not that much, and it isn't what cavalry are meant for. The only use I can imagine for Thessalians is to engage and pin enemy heavy cavalry: here they can use their speed, armour and AP side-arm to best effect. However, they do suffer a lot of casualties in the process so you can only do this in a couple of battles before needing reinforcements. Hetairoi on the other hand do this almost without breaking a sweat, while Prodromoi won't do that much worse and are easier to replace.