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Originally Posted by Swordmaster:
Having gotten my arse kicked by armoured elephants recently, I withdraw my earlier assertion. They just wouldn't die!
tell me about it... those armored elephants cost a fortune, but having faced them myself, I can attest that normal skirmishers will not do the usual trick against them. On the same subject, I lost several crushing defeats against Pyrrhos at the beginning of my current KH campaign because he kept flanking me out the forest with the elephants. When I finally killed the bastards in a bad loss (for me -I rarely lose) I thought that it was worthwhile trade. I sent a spy to Pyrrhos' army and the elephants had all completely healed from the battle... He had a full complement! Bad enough that they can be unkillable, but worse that they are resurrected from the dead!Having gotten my arse kicked by armoured elephants recently, I withdraw my earlier assertion. They just wouldn't die!
The Camillian Triarii ain't that good, I usually find them too expensive early on in the campaign and I much rather prefer the Camillian Principes, which got Pilums to throw before a charge, spears to skewer cavalry with and swords for infantry.
Originally Posted by Jaertecken:
I much rather prefer the Camillian Principes, which got Pilums to throw before a charge, spears to skewer cavalry with and swords for infantry.
There are no units with three weapons in EB1 (impossible with the RTW engine). The Camillan Principes have underhand spears as secondary weapon and are much weaker in close combat than the Camillan Triarii, who are by far the best unit for the Romans in that periode beside the Extraordinarii.I much rather prefer the Camillian Principes, which got Pilums to throw before a charge, spears to skewer cavalry with and swords for infantry.
Originally Posted by Jaertecken:
The Camillian Triarii ain't that good, I usually find them too expensive early on in the campaign and I much rather prefer the Camillian Principes, which got Pilums to throw before a charge, spears to skewer cavalry with and swords for infantry.
I have to disagree with you on that one. They proved to be the invaluable against both Carthage and the gauls. They can hold the line long enough for a flanking move or something of that sort. They are the only capable unit available early on fpr the romans. The rest have their pilums and after that it's rout time. And after a few hard battles they can be retrained to become invinsible. They can't be bought straight away since they are a tad expensive, but after one or two conquered cities they should find a place in your army.The Camillian Triarii ain't that good, I usually find them too expensive early on in the campaign and I much rather prefer the Camillian Principes, which got Pilums to throw before a charge, spears to skewer cavalry with and swords for infantry.
Originally Posted by Limbs:
The rest have their pilums and after that it's rout time. .
The rest have their pilums and after that it's rout time. .
I find that a very odd statement, the only time I can ever remember my Camillan Hastati or Principes routing is after the general has been killed, and even then they last quite a while. My Camillan Hastati in particular get whittled down fairly quickly but I have never had a problem with their morale. Then again I never allow my units to become isolated, perhaps if they were up against better opposition on their own they might rout quicker.
Originally Posted by Jaertecken:
The Camillian Triarii ain't that good, I usually find them too expensive early on in the campaign and I much rather prefer the Camillian Principes, which got Pilums to throw before a charge, spears to skewer cavalry with and swords for infantry.
The Camillian Triarii ain't that good, I usually find them too expensive early on in the campaign and I much rather prefer the Camillian Principes, which got Pilums to throw before a charge, spears to skewer cavalry with and swords for infantry.
Are you kidding me????
These guys were the only ones that kept the Aedui from taking Bononia when i was transitioning to Polybian legions. They're the only Camillian unit (that i know of) that can stand up to the Gaesatae long enough for me to get skirmishers/cavalry behind them. 
On that note, Now that i can't use them anymore, what Polybian Era Infantry can combat the Gaesatae? Are Polybian Triarii good enough or are the Polybian Principes better suited for the job?
Originally Posted by AlexanderSextus:
Are you kidding me????These guys were the only ones that kept the Aedui from taking Bononia when i was transitioning to Polybian legions. They're the only Camillian unit (that i know of) that can stand up to the Gaesatae long enough for me to get skirmishers/cavalry behind them.
On that note, Now that i can't use them anymore, what Polybian Era Infantry can combat the Gaesatae? Are Polybian Triarii good enough or are the Polybian Principes better suited for the job?
I'd say ExtraordinariiAre you kidding me????
These guys were the only ones that kept the Aedui from taking Bononia when i was transitioning to Polybian legions. They're the only Camillian unit (that i know of) that can stand up to the Gaesatae long enough for me to get skirmishers/cavalry behind them. On that note, Now that i can't use them anymore, what Polybian Era Infantry can combat the Gaesatae? Are Polybian Triarii good enough or are the Polybian Principes better suited for the job?
Originally Posted by Olaf The Great:
I'd say Extraordinarii
id say triariiI'd say Extraordinarii
pedits tire out too fast for my liking
hell one battle
i lost 3/4 of my hastati and principles to3 reformed pikeman,hyspistia, elite peltastai
they saved my ass taking out all of the peltast,reformed,hetairo, everything
:)
worse united ever...
id say the..
ah yes
who would love the german levy sperman
totally hate them
easy to tire
no armor
killed by every troops that has missles
1 unit rout, everybody routs
:S
I would say pelt the hell out of the Gaesatae with whatever you have, then pin them down with Triarii and get your Principes to attack them from behind.
For some reason I have a bad experience with the WARGONEZ, they just seem to die like flies and are expensive as hell.
Originally Posted by Olaf The Great:
For some reason I have a bad experience with the WARGONEZ, they just seem to die like flies and are expensive as hell.
Reserve them for enemy bodyguards. Suddenly they're pretty badass. Missile fire is pain, though.For some reason I have a bad experience with the WARGONEZ, they just seem to die like flies and are expensive as hell.
Originally Posted by Jaertecken:
The Camillian Triarii ain't that good, I usually find them too expensive early on in the campaign and I much rather prefer the Camillian Principes, which got Pilums to throw before a charge, spears to skewer cavalry with and swords for infantry.
I agree with this.The Camillian Triarii ain't that good, I usually find them too expensive early on in the campaign and I much rather prefer the Camillian Principes, which got Pilums to throw before a charge, spears to skewer cavalry with and swords for infantry.
Camillian Triarii is not bad to face against cavarly, buth Camilian Principes can do just as impressive job as them with less recruiting and upkeep coast.
Do not include them in an army unless they volunteer
Camillian Principes don't have swords, units can only have two weapons.
Triarii are better than Principes. I always train Triarii because they take fewer losses. Since the Principes aren't a sword unit, it doesn't really make sense to train them instead of Triarii unless you're very low on money. If Camillian Principes were a sword unit, then you could have some Pricipes in a legion to deal with enemy infantry and some Triarii to deal with cavalry. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense to train Principes. Triarii do much better against everything than Principes. If you want a sword and pila unit in the Camillian times, just recruit Hastati.
I didn't think the Roman bodyguard was that bad. I mean, it doesn't compare to the Pahlavan or other nomadic bodyguards as you have said(who have bows in addition to lances) but it's better than many other Western bodyguards.
I didn't think the Roman bodyguard was that bad. I mean, it doesn't compare to the Pahlavan or other nomadic bodyguards as you have said(who have bows in addition to lances) but it's better than many other Western bodyguards.
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