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    Default Re: Surprisingly bad units

    Quote Originally Posted by gamegeek2 View Post
    The Pantodapoi are good for one thing: Garrison duty. The Kavakaza Sparabara are better simply because of their superior traits, a longer spear, and because Hayasadan has to rely on them early on, and they can get the job done when supported by [great] eastern archers.

    No single unit is terrible: it's all in context and use.
    Pantodapoi aren't even good for that. Levy hoplites are both cheaper and better. Better armour, better morale. And cost you less. Pantodapoi are worthless.
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    Pantodapoi aren't even good for that. Levy hoplites are both cheaper and better. Better armour, better morale. And cost you less. Pantodapoi are worthless.
    No, I totally agree. I'm just saying they're not so terrible if you have no other options. I still recruit persian archers as garrison over them, and always disband them on sight, and that they get slaughtered by everything.
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    Default Re: Surprisingly bad units

    Although Pantodapoi don't really qualify for this thread, since they're not a 'surprisingly' bad unit.
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    Default AW: Surprisingly bad units

    Pantodapoi are worthless in battle, but they are good at garrisoning. They have the max amount of men per unit and are pretty cheap -> max public order effect.

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    Default Re: AW: Surprisingly bad units

    Quote Originally Posted by Centurio Nixalsverdrus View Post
    Pantodapoi are worthless in battle, but they are good at garrisoning. They have the max amount of men per unit and are pretty cheap -> max public order effect.
    That may be true. I think there are other units that are more cost effective as garrison units, but I'm not sure. But I think this thread is about battlefield performance.
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    Default Re: AW: Surprisingly bad units

    Quote Originally Posted by Centurio Nixalsverdrus View Post
    Pantodapoi are worthless in battle, but they are good at garrisoning. They have the max amount of men per unit and are pretty cheap -> max public order effect.
    Levy hoplites; cheaper, better, actually of some use should that garrison actually be called to do something besides loiter around.
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    Default AW: Surprisingly bad units

    My EDU says that Hoplitai Haploi cost 202 upkeep and 809 recruitment, and for Pantodapoi its 224 upkeep and 896 recruiting them. Given that Pantodapoi have 240 men on *cough* huge scale, the same amount of men of Levy Hoplites would actually cost 303 in upkeep and 1212 in recruitment. Or am I doing something completely wrong here?
    Last edited by Centurio Nixalsverdrus; 10-15-2008 at 21:10. Reason: huge scale, of course ;)

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    Apart from writing 'large' when the scale is called 'hughe'? No, not really; though you may want to prefer Akontistai at 202 upkeep for 240 men, or Artish Pada at 203 for 240 men.
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