But I don't want to kneel down for Allah

[Samurai Waki]

The only time I ever prayed to Mecca was in protest of taking my first communion at age eight. I may have had my quarrels with the almighty, but god help me if I disobeyed my Parents. I couldn't watch TV or play video games for two weeks...

[JR-]

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Technical note: A public school in the UK is one that you pay to send your kiddies to (above and beyond taxation)* so that they can learn the proper accent and form the cliques early on that are necessary to the correct governance of these islands. I'm not sure what the schools that the proletariat swarm to are called. Primary for the nippers and Secondary once you hit 11 – 12? Grammar schools needed you to pass a test, but I think they got done away with universally a long time ago.

i am a product of the grammar school system, and there are still about 150 left in Great Britain.

there are loads currently in northern ireland, which is why the educational standards are so high, but in the interests of equality-of-outcome they are being banished as they produce children too clever to fit in with the regimented masses of illiterate twits that are considered the benchmark of british achievement.

[Tribesman]

i am a product of the grammar school system

Yes quite .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKzi_JlrdEY

[Pannonian]

The only time I ever prayed to Mecca was in protest of taking my first communion at age eight. I may have had my quarrels with the almighty, but god help me if I disobeyed my Parents. I couldn't watch TV or play video games for two weeks...

You can face the almighty on even terms, but your Parents outnumber you 2-1, and are thus to be feared.

[English assassin]

Head of the justice department just declared his love for the implementation of the sharia in the brittish justice sytem, you missed that?

err, yes, I did miss that. That's because it didn't happen.

I remember the Archbishop of Canterbury saying he thought it would be an idea if some disputes between muslims could be resolved having regard to Sharia. This caused the predictable -storm, all of which was entirely misplaced because:

1. Jews have had religious courts in the UK for ages without the world ending, and

2. Anyone can already have any contractual dispute they like resolved in accordance with any set of laws they like, provided they agree, and have a passing familiarity with the Arbitration Act, (here's how the Beth Din does it: http://www.theus.org.uk/the_united_s...in/litigation/), and

3 Rowan Williams is a bearded idiot, and nothing to do with the British Justice system.

Frag, old chum, I'm active in secularist societies, have no love for religion full stop, and certainly no love for religion in any form in schools, but this story is about one badly planned lesson, not a hidden plan to have us all worshipping Allah. What I am saying is I am entirely with your prejudices on this one, but the facts just don't support you.

[Tribesman]

err, yes, I did miss that. That's because it didn't happen.

Come on EA you can understand Frags mistake , it was widely reported as that , the fact that it isn't that at all shouldn't stand in the way of his phobia .
Just like when Williams made his speech the claims about what he said were not about what he said at all .
But tell me as I am quite thick . This new thing where two parties in civil disputes can agree to arbitration through a third party in accordance with British law (well English/Welsh law) , how comes they invented it recently and sneaked it up on the people without anyone knowing anything about it ?
I mean it must be a very new thing or the outrage would have been going on for years and the media wouldn't bother with centuries old news would they .

[Fragony]

the fact

The fact that isn't true, gimme.

At EA, wanted to post it the the weird thread but you can only do that to Lemur so many times. It is indeed just a stupid teacher but still everyone feels the need to defend it, I think the stupidity of this pretty much needs no flowers to impress. But we all have a blind spot somewhere.

Don't we tribes.

[Tribesman]

The fact that isn't true, gimme.

The fact Frag is that you are getting your panties all twisted over nothing.
You claimed

Head of the justice department just declared his love for the implementation of the sharia in the brittish justice sytem, you missed that?

But what he said was ....

It is possible in this country for those who are entering into a contractual agreement to agree that the agreement shall be governed by a law other than English law. Those who, in this country, are in dispute as to their respective rights are free to subject that dispute to the mediation of a chosen person, or to agree that the dispute shall be resolved by a chosen arbitrator or arbitrators.

Now you only have to read 1:1:a&b to know that , its a long standing piece of legislation that was last amended 12 years ago without any fuss whatsoever .
Now you can go further into it if you want but each step you take just weakens your arguement which was extremely weak to the point of non existant in the first place .
The only issue about the whole subject is that nowadays if anyone even remotely mentions sharia or Islam in relation to a subject you get the Muslims under the bed crowd shouting crazy stuff without the faintest idea what they are shouting about .

[Fragony]

Ah we aren't talking anymore about kids having to pray to allah. As for that jurist thing, talking and doing are two different things and he can implement nothing, but doesn't exactly make a secret about his disposition, sharia law, why not. So quit on why do england is obsessed with muslims.

oh, and before you say I am obsessed, I am not the one suggesting police dogs should wear special socks when they are looking for explosives or drugs on enriched grounds.

And why that is silly, from a muslim no less http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_1_snd-west.html

[Tribesman]

Ah we aren't talking anymore about kids having to pray to allah.

we never were talking about kids having to pray , its a non event , nonsense , complete crap , it never happened , no one had to pray to anything We were talking about a bollox "news" story

As for that jurist thing, talking and doing are two different things and he can implement nothing, but doesn't exactly make a secret about his disposition, sharia law, why not.

blue moomins law , why not ? As long as it isn't against the law and is carried out in accordance with the British laws ?
Yet again another non-story . We were not talking about his disposition . We were talking about how you writing ....

Head of the justice department just declared his love for the implementation of the sharia in the brittish justice sytem, you missed that?

...is a perfect example of complete nonsense .

[Fragony]

That's the fun thing ahout newspapers Tribes, if they lie they get charged and they have to pull it back. Especially a newspaper like the daily mail, especially a newspaper like the daily mail especially in a country like the UK. That makes them the most reliable newspaper of the UK, because they would have been absolutily destroyed otherwise.

[English assassin]

This new thing where two parties in civil disputes can agree to arbitration through a third party in accordance with British law (well English/Welsh law) , how comes they invented it recently and sneaked it up on the people without anyone knowing anything about it ?
I mean it must be a very new thing or the outrage would have been going on for years and the media wouldn't bother with centuries old news would they

I like your style sir A quick google does indeed reveal that the first Arbitration Act was passed in 1889. A further google reveals that Scott v Avery, the case which established that you could oust the jurisidiction of the courts with an arbitration clause, so that all the court may do is enforce the award, (which may have been arrived at in accordance with the law of Mongolia if the parties so chose) was decided in 1865.

So, only 140 years old or so.

If we didn't have this dangerously enlightened approach to people deciding how to settle their own disputes we would lose a lot of international arbitration work from London, and a lot of highly paid lawyers would lose their jobs, which would be an absolute tragedy as I am sure we all agree.

[Fragony]

If we didn't have this dangerously enlightened approach to people deciding how to settle their own disputes

If you see it like that it's pure beauty to me. But that kinda ends when it involves somebody else not being able to decide to do it his way, like kidshaving to pray to allah and get detention when they refuse for example, and much much more.

[Tribesman]

Honestly Frag , you ain't that dumb are ya ?
One last time .
No one had to pray , no one got detention for not praying , end of story.
And as for that law , no one can be forced into anything , its a position two people can choose to take if they both agree to it .
It isn't hard to understand , or is it ?

That's the fun thing ahout newspapers Tribes, if they lie they get charged and they have to pull it back.

they ran the story friday Frag , if the parties involved decide to take action nothing will happen till monday, then after that it will be a matter of weeks if not months upon which point you will get a small one line item on about page 27 .
But probably they won't bother as they may go on the basis of only an idiot would believe the BNP or Mail so it isn't really worth the effort

[Fragony]

It isn't hard to understand , or is it ?

No it's not hard to understand you say it didn't happen, so gimme something that proves it didn't happen.

[Adrian II]

Fragony, I can't believe that you support the forced deportation of all Muslim immigrants, including women and children.

[Fragony]

Fragony, I can't believe that you support the forced deportation of all Muslim immigrants, including women and children.

que?

[English assassin]

Fragony, I can't believe that you support the forced deportation of all Muslim immigrants, including women and children.

Sir, I also like your style.

Frag, his point is that if we are going to sound off about things no one said, where will it all end?

Its relativism gone mad, I tells you.

[Fragony]

It is indeed relativism gone bad, that is the point I keep making. But you are relativating relativism, I am just relativating.

[English assassin]

I have deconstructed your posts and detect a deep-seated attraction to authoritarian and aribitrary belief systems with the strength to impose their will on others regardless of the others wishes.

In short, Frag, you are a muslim. The more you deny it the clearer it becomes.

[Fragony]

I have deconstructed your posts and detect a deep-seated attraction to authoritarian and aribitrary belief systems with the strength to impose their will on others regardless of the others wishes.

In short, Frag, you are a muslim. The more you deny it the clearer it becomes.

Uh what, well no quite the contrary, you sure you saw that in me?

[JR-]

Yes quite .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKzi_JlrdEY

[Tribesman]

Yeah its just the charachter that springs to mind whenever someone mentions grammar school , not of course suggesting furunculus that you would write a rubber cheque like Crawfords character

[JR-]

quite, and thank you.

[CountArach]

My Primary school (Which is Public) made me say a prayer every week. That is far worse than this situation where the children did not have to pray.

[LittleGrizzly]

My state school made me pray when i was under 11 (until secondary school)

[Devastatin Dave]

The only good answer is

By Muhammed's goat-reeking beard, you've got a cute ass.

[Adrian II]

By Muhammed's goat-reeking beard, you've got a cute ass.

Thanks, but my six is covered already and my twelve is loaded. In other words, forget it sweetheart.

[Fragony]

My Primary school (Which is Public) made me say a prayer every week. That is far worse than this situation where the children did not have to pray.

Well they did have to pray. But maybe this is indeed not so terrible after all, but with all that multi-pushy you get worked up over little things because it are so many little things. I attended a christian school by the way, never had to pray, never noticed it was a christian school in the first place.

[Goofball]

Okay, the details of the article are pretty sketchy, so there's really not enough to form on opinion on the actions of the teacher. Let me say: if their version of events is true and the little darlings were truly punished because they respectfully and non-disruptively declined to kneel and pray to Allah (praised be his name), then I agree with all of the outrage coming from the .org's usual suspects.

However, let me just throw this out there for you. Since we don't have the teacher's version of events yet, might I submit that there is a distinct possibility that her story might go something like this: "I gave the little buggers detention not because they refused to take part in the demonstration prayer, but because they were being loud, disruptive, and making funny accents and fart noises in the back of the classroom while the rest of the class was trying to learn."

And is it then possible that when the little darlings were being taken to task by their parents for getting in trouble at school, the kids sold it to their doting parents as a religious freedom issue, rather than simply one of being an idiot in the classroom?

I'm just throwing that out there, from personal experience. When I was twelve, that was just the kind of behaviour I was capable of and quite often carried out.