But I don't want to kneel down for Allah

**Fragony** · 07-05-2008, 15:28

Right now would be a good time to acknowledge that it hasn't been downplayed yet, it's ignored by the self-declared quality media so the dailymail story is true; "it's the dailymail after all". If they could shoot they would.

**Adrian II** · 07-05-2008, 15:30

Originally Posted by Fragony

Right now would be a good time to acknowledge that it hasn't been downplayed yet, it's ignored by the self-declared quality media so the dailymail story is true; "it's the dailymail after all". If they could shoot they would.

The Telegraph has had it for hours now.

**Fragony** · 07-05-2008, 15:35

Originally Posted by Adrian II

The Telegraph has had it for hours now.

Was led to believe that it's a non-quality newpaper as well? Linked it hours ago. But tell me bubba you seem to become wiser with age lately, what do you make of it.

**Adrian II** · 07-05-2008, 15:44

Originally Posted by Fragony

Was led to believe that it's a non-quality newpaper as well? Linked it hours ago. But tell me bubba you seem to become wiser with age lately, what do you make of it.

I think that so-called spokespeople of Muslims and non-Muslims are playing the sensitivity game. Muslim spokesbeards are outraged over piggy bank ads, BNP spokesslapheads are outraged over 'obligatory praying to Allah'. It's an industry.

I blame television.

**Fragony** · 07-05-2008, 15:50

Originally Posted by Adrian II

I think that so-called spokespeople of Muslims and non-Muslims are playing the sensitivity game. Muslim spokesbeards are outraged over piggy bank ads, BNP spokesslapheads are outraged over 'obligatory praying to Allah'. It's an industry.

I blame television.

hoho, none of those apply here, what we are seeing here is the much more dangerous multiculti-masochism that leads to self-islamisation. The craving for concensus and the rigidness of faith, the collaboration of those living the dream, it's a cancer that is starting to corrupt vital organs such as schools.

edit, you are focussing on the silly extremists while the middle ground is being swept from under our feet by perfectionists who think they are idealists, cultural relativism is the real danger.

**PanzerJaeger** · 07-05-2008, 16:48

What the hell kind of lesson about islam forces the children to kneel down and pray, even if just simulation? And what kind of system forces children to take part?

No, that apparently does not sum it up. After reading Tribesman's post I should add one more silly response:

5. It's the children's own fault! Befehl ist Befehl!

Pathetic. It really shows how far he's willing to go..

I guess according to tribesman, if the headmaster wanted to demonstrate with some of the pupils during sex-ed class, it would be their fault as they registered for school and agreed to be polite and do what they were told! What a logical breakdown...

**Fragony** · 07-05-2008, 17:01

ah frak it

**GoreBag** · 07-05-2008, 17:10

If I had been in their situation, I would have refused. I learned a little about Islam when I was in school and my knees never hit the ground for it.

**HoreTore** · 07-05-2008, 17:14

Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger

What the hell kind of lesson about islam forces the children to kneel down and pray, even if just simulation? And what kind of system forces children to take part?

The same system that takes children to church to teach them about christianity, I'd guess...

**Goofball** · 07-07-2008, 22:46

Okay, the details of the article are pretty sketchy, so there's really not enough to form on opinion on the actions of the teacher. Let me say: if their version of events is true and the little darlings were truly punished because they respectfully and non-disruptively declined to kneel and pray to Allah (praised be his name), then I agree with all of the outrage coming from the .org's usual suspects.

However, let me just throw this out there for you. Since we don't have the teacher's version of events yet, might I submit that there is a distinct possibility that her story might go something like this: "I gave the little buggers detention not because they refused to take part in the demonstration prayer, but because they were being loud, disruptive, and making funny accents and fart noises in the back of the classroom while the rest of the class was trying to learn."

And is it then possible that when the little darlings were being taken to task by their parents for getting in trouble at school, the kids sold it to their doting parents as a religious freedom issue, rather than simply one of being an idiot in the classroom?

I'm just throwing that out there, from personal experience. When I was twelve, that was just the kind of behaviour I was capable of and quite often carried out.