Koinon Hellon Generals Suck on Walls?

[tapanojum]

So I did a migration faction. Took my ass from Athens and sailed to Massalia, and renamed myself Masalia. It's tons of fun except for one problem. The Romans are aggressive as hell! Nonstop attacks and they somehow kicked out the Gauls and Epeiros out of Taras quickly and just focus on me. Had to use FD to bring some control back to the region.

Anyways back to my question. Is it just me or do the Koinon Hellon Spartan and Athen body gaurds suck on the walls? Maybe I am just using them wrong. I put them on guard mode in front of the leaders. Triari popped up and started pushing my bodygaurds back. I had a group of heavy skirmishers hit the Trairi from the other side and they stll managed to defeat my general and heavy skirmishers.

On the other side of the gate, I had a spartan group hold ground on defense mode in front of a siege tower loaded with Elite Italian unit. My Spartans got completely toast.

Are they just not a good unit for defending walls or am I using them wrong? This migration to Massalia has left me with no money to field an army. Best I could do is use my 4FM's+1 Cretan Archer+1 Heavy Skirmisher. And this is with 3 towns in control =-/

[Ludens]

Pedites Extraordinarii have an AP weapon, so it's not wonder they did well, however the triarii ought to have been no match for your elites. Maybe it's related to guard mode? It makes individual soldiers unwilling to attack in my experience.

[tapanojum]

Pedites Extraordinarii have an AP weapon, so it's not wonder they did well, however the triarii ought to have been no match for your elites. Maybe it's related to guard mode? It makes individual soldiers unwilling to attack in my experience.

I figured the elites should do well, although in a previous battle, my general unit held together for a very long time out in the open being sandwiched by two of these elite units.

I took off guard mode once I started taking heavy casualties, so I had Heavy Skirmishers and General with guard mode off hitting both sides of the Triari and still failed.

Weaksauce

[Senshi]

In my experience any unit of hoplitai suck big time on walls... better let them take the walls and take 'em down in the streets, especially your generals' hoplitai as well as the Spartiatai kick ass there.

On walls you need heavy infantry to hold them off, if they are not avaible, spearmen are okay too up there. Skirmishers and hoplitai and such get steamrolled in my experience...
Best thing to have is some Galatikoi Tindanotae or comparing "wild men". After I took whole Asia Minor with the KH I was sieged by the AS after taking Antiocheia from them. They had about 2000 men attacking, I had less than 500...luckily several bands of Kretan Archers, some hoplitai and two Galatikoi Tindanotae mercenaries...

Well, after my Kretan archers had shot all their ammo and all javelins were thrown, there still were MANY enemies left running towards me with one siege tower and multiple ladders, where I stationed my Galatikoi Tindanotae on the walls. In the end every single enemy who put foot on the wall was quickly slayed, usually before the next one was up and before doing one blow themselves...in the end I killed about 1,500 men and had losses of about 100 men (too many ladders, not enough heavy infantry....they slashed my archers down before they could run away :( )

[Swordmaster]

In my experience, you need sword-wielding troops on the walls, both attackers and defenders. Gives best results.

[Sdragon]

Can only think of three things.
1: Your playing with the battle difficulty up as it's make the enemy uber.
2: Enemy generals have loads of stars and making their troops fight harder.
3: The enemy troops are experienced.