The Midgard Saga II [Concluded]

**Privateerkev** · 08-11-2008, 03:24

I caution people from challenging for little or no reason. Decimating the ranks of the town in challenges will only help the Jotun.

But, if challenged, I will not back down.

I will see you on the field Mr Ferret...

**glyphz** · 08-11-2008, 05:55

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I would think that the Norsemen of old preferred to settle disputes or crude arguments in battle rather than negotiations as they place great importance in their 'path of the warrior(?).' So challenges should be common.
(Then again, I know very little about the ups and downs of Holmgang, and how they may affect the rest of the game, as what Privateerkev cautioned)

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Agreed. Surviving N1 is based on not drawing the slightest of suspicion to oneself. Now, if CountArach is indeed Odin...
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Well let's just say, none would have thought Odin, the head of the gods, is a an indecisive 'person' or at least a heavy N1 vote changer.
At least I didn't...

**Privateerkev** · 08-11-2008, 06:23

Originally Posted by glyphz

I would think that the Norsemen of old preferred to settle disputes or crude arguments in battle rather than negotiations as they place great importance in their 'path of the warrior(?).' So challenges should be common.
(Then again, I know very little about the ups and downs of Holmgang, and how they may affect the rest of the game, as what Privateerkev cautioned)

I'm looking at it from a "mafia game" perspective. Holmgang kills people. Unless those people are Jotun, then every death hurts the town. Now, if it is true that winning in Holmgang raises your ability, then that does mitigate it a little. But we still need townies to be alive. And having them all slay themselves in Holmgang will hurt the town more than it will help by maybe raising someone's ability.

While it is true that a raised ability will make it easier to defeat a Jotun in battle, we will always have one good weapon to use on any Jotun. And that is the lynch. And the lynch doesn't need to be powered up by using it bunches of times first.

Now, that being said, I will not back down from a challenge. If ET is truly driven to meet his maker, I will then speed him on his journey.

But I do ask that we think strategically about Holmgang challenges. I am sure the Jotun would love for all of us to just slaughter each other while they sit, watch, and laugh. I'm not saying we should have no Holmgangs. It is our way and we should use it when we need to. But I will look at "joke Holmganging" like I look at "joke lynching." Which is unfavorably...

**LittleGrizzly** · 08-11-2008, 06:35

Seeing as we usually have something like a 10:1 ratio of good guys to bad guys random holmganging just seems like a good way for the town to kill themselves off, out of those 5 fights theres at best 1 bad guy, he may not even lose so from this fighting we could just lose 5 good guys and with CA (if he is pro-town god) then this is not a positive start....

Do challenges have to be accepted or for the good of the town can they be rejected ?

**Privateerkev** · 08-11-2008, 06:54

Sigurd will only pick one fight. So, at worst, we will only lose one townie. But, if the game goes long, those deaths add up. If it drags on and comes down to the wire, we might regret all of those 'joke-Holmgangs' just like some of us regret the meatball votes, abstains, lurking, inactivity, and other anti-town distractions in past games.

**Gaius Scribonius Curio** · 08-11-2008, 07:59

I never played the previous version of Midgard, and as such I have little idea how good my 'holmgang stats are in comparision to everyone else. Something to consider however...

Sigurd surely will have thought of the fact that early in the game there will be joke holmgangs. There is every possibility that a Jotun will be the victim of one of these. If so it is likely that the Jotun will have fairly high stats in order to survive. In addition, I feel the Holm-gang is more to add flavour rather than be used as a viable alternative to lynching. Finally aren't the Jotun Ice-giants? I certainly wouldn't want to test my fighting skills with one of those...

I'd assume they'd rip little old me apart...

Edit: See Seamus above, already confirmed my fears...

**Privateerkev** · 08-11-2008, 08:26

Originally Posted by Gaius Scribonius Curio

I never played the previous version of Midgard, and as such I have little idea how good my 'holmgang stats are in comparision to everyone else. Something to consider however...

Here is where I get my information:

end game post

write up (refresh if the spoiler won't open)

Holmgang

Now, I fully expect that Sigurd would have changed some things but it might give us an idea of what is going on.

**Sigurd** · 08-11-2008, 09:23

The challenges are:

1. GeneralHankerchief vs. Warmaster Horus
2. woad&fangs vs. Husar
3. makaikhaan vs. Kukrikhaan
4. Caius vs. Andres
5. Eliit Tuhkur vs. Privateerkev
6. pevergreen vs. Kukrikhaan

One will be picked by the roll of a die and entered into the combat tool.
The results will be posted with the night results of round 2.