The Midgard Saga II [Concluded]

[Husar]

Because I'm a latecomer champion, Husar. Apparently the Swedish King was so impressed by my Holmgang victory that he invited me to become his second champion.

You guys heard me right. Don't piss off the Swedes, we now have two champions.

That sounds pretty weird.

[Csargo]

Alright... What's up GH?

[Motep]

Meh. Double Meh.

The way PK has been going at this game, it seems as if he might be trying to be helpful. Or, he might intentionally be trying to force us onto the wrong track. All I know, is that no matter how flowered up Pk's actions have been, they have turned ill for the town.

Vote:Privateerkev

Nice fight, by the way.

[Privateerkev]

Sorry guys, I'm not Jotun. My lynching will not help the town.

And Motep, exactly what track have I been trying to "force" you on?

I haven't even voted yet...

What's even more disturbing, is that Motep knows exactly who I am.

I weep for the town's future...

[GeneralHankerchief]

See PK, I'm still not convinced you are who you say you are though.

Here's a little back-and-forth we've had over the course of the day. It's edited to block out some names as well as keep some more personal stuff out:

Hi GH,

As usual, know that anything I say in the game thread is "IC." I'm having fun and I hope you are too.

[BillyBob] says I should reveal to you and let you know of the existence of our network. You can confirm this with [King] and [Champion].

role PM

I'd be inclinced to believe him, but considering the size of PK's network, there's apparently a lot of PMs passed around back and forth.

Honestly, right now I feel like Winston Smith getting the Brotherhood explained to him. And if you know your 1984, you know this can be interpreted a couple of different ways.

What I still don't like is how, if [King] and [Champion] are part of the group, they didn't properly explain to you what was going down. Which is why I still don't trust you at all.

GH

I first explain the problem I have to him.

It takes awhile for information to go back and forth. Everyone seems to be waiting for confirmation from everyone else. Somewhere in there, there seems to be a snag with waiting for someone to respond to a PM.

You threw us off there pretty good. None of us expected this. We all knew you were Swedish because of your Holmgang. But to see you claim to be a role that we all knew [Champion] had claimed set off our alarms. We didn't know people could be "promoted" in this game.

I don't expect you to trust us. This is Mafia after all. But, let me know if you have any questions and I will do what I can to answer them within reason.

If it makes you feel any better, I do trust you to a point. I don't think your Jotun. While I might have a certain opinion as to how useful of a towny you have been, I do not think you are guilty. Which is why I have not been voting for you.

PK's initial defense, being that of communication lag. I say why that's not good enough, as described below:

Yeah, see, here's where your story doesn't really make sense:

Obviously, [King] and [Champion] are in your group, otherwise, they (the group) wouldn't have known about my promotion to Champion. But they should have been able to confirm what I was saying was true at the same time they sent everybody in the group a copy of the promotion PM.

Now, I can think of one, and only one, instance where the mixup makes sense to me and you personally are who you say you are. But I'd like to hear it from you, using specifics, before I believe you.

(next exchange is edited to keep people from learning certain identities)

I can't help you with the whole picture. I only know my small part. Our network is more of a collection of "cells". Not every member talks to every other member. The King/Champion relationship actually lends itself perfectly to this.

At 12:47PM US CT today, I received a PM from a "3rd party." This person said:

Been talking to [Champion]. He says that GH is now a champion for [King]. He's waiting for a reply from [King] to make sure it was Sigurd who sent the PM. If it is, then it seems we've got an interesting new development.

At 4:10PM US CT, I get a pm out of the blue from [Champion] after I said, "get on board or get out of the way."

lol. So you hear about the pm [King] got about GH? Looks like it came from sigurd himself....

I replied that I didn't know what was going on. He replied at 4:47PM US CT saying:

It may be possible that he was a vet and was upgraded. I think [Champion] got a pm from sigurd about him being a champ, but I'm not positive it was from Sigurd. Waiting for confirmation.

[blah blah blah]

That is everything I know about you to date. I asked in the thread for you to explain yourself and you have. I am satisfied. If you have any other questions, let me know.

PK threw a lot of information at me there, but it still didn't add up, as explained below:

[blah blah blah]

But what I still don't get is how all the PMs were taking the tone of "wow, I think his role was upgraded, let me just double check" but you still took on a "you're faking a PM" in the thread. The times don't really match up.

PK then responded with a PM that took the conversation in a different direction, aside from these two paragraphs:

As for timing, when they sent the PM does not automatically mean I read it at that time. I've been playing a computer game most of the day and checked in and saw your "lighten up" comment. I feel like some of you guys just aren't taking this seriously. Which is always your right. But some of us feel that attitude just makes it easier for the Jotun.

So, that is what happened. We had no idea Sigurd would allow an "upgrade" in roles. We were all puzzled that you would claim a role that we already knew was filled. I didn't like your tone in the thread so I hit back a little hard.

The gist of my argument, which PK failed to answer despite multiple opportunities to do so, is still: It seemed like the group consensus was that this was a "this is puzzling, let's confirm that GH really got a role upgrade" mood yet PK ignored this and still pushed the line that I was faking. PK had to have read the PMs before checking the thread, otherwise he wouldn't have known about my upgrade in the first place.

This, combined with the fact that I think he has too much power concentrated in his hands and is trying to lead the town in the wrong direction, makes me think he has to go this round.

[Csargo]

So if I get the jist of all that. PK knew you were promoted to a champion, but said in the thread that you were faking PM's. Is that right? PK what are you up to? I'm pretty tired, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

@El Diablo: I see you've been online, but still haven't posted anything. You're only posting to vote which makes me think you are just active enough to not get WoG'd. Seems very scummy imho.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Vote: PrivateerKev

Because I don't believe him. Also, I think holmgangs can be useful.

CR

[discovery1]

UnVote:Omanes Alexandrapolites

Vote: El Diablo since Omanes hasn't been online in days and if I am going to use a pressure vote I might as well use it on someone who at least comes to the org.

[Kagemusha]

Allright. I apologize my completely out of line behavior from couple nights a go. With my current level of stress coming from real life, combined with my hot headed temper and booze. I can become a world class idiot quite easily. That was the reasoning i decided to lay off these games a while a go. A decision i should have sticked with.
I apologize the people i called idiots and remain silent now until wogged. My last couple words for the town are questions. Dont you find interesting how Motep is still alive and kicking without any attacks from Jotun? If we give away the control of Holmgang as a good tool to find bad guys. We will be lacking yet another tool to win this game. Instead we just see bandwagons after bandwagons, against players that someone just have a hunch about. For example what is exactly the case against Privateerkev?
More inconsistent we play, more easy it will be for mafia to win. Ofcourse this can also make the mafia so full of Hybris that they will fall to their own smartness in the end.This coming from someone who has played the mafia side of things quite few times, with bit of success. But anyway good luck for the town, chasing down the scummy Jotuns.

[shlin28]

I went to Valhalla???

Then the role I had claimed before can go to Valhalla too, despite my sheer combat wimpiness...

This might mean that we did not lose as many pro-town veterans/champions/roles as we thought we did, as those who were killed and were brought to Valhalla could just be townies.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

I'm here, , or at least I was last time I checked. Family crisis and all that blah, blah, blah

Anyway, I've got a lot of reading to do, so I'll post my opinions later. Just letting you know that I'm back for now.

[Privateerkev]

GH's whole case against me is that he is upset that I dared to accuse him of faking a role PM...

He also assumes people receive pm's the moment others send them. He also assumes reading pm's is the first thing people do when they come on the board.

His whole case is full of holes and a lot of this is sour-grapes from GH because he has been pressured to stop playing the game the way he wants to.

Motep has become unbelievably paranoid. And I think he is still bitter he got outed. Sorry, it is not my fault he got a power-town role and than disappeared for a couple days.

As for CR, he has a certain little "habit" that I am sure the God's would be most interested in. ;)

As for having "too much power concentrated in [my] hands," I have no power. The network uses me as their mouthpiece because I have already drawn attention to myself while others are still hidden.

I'm going to be gone for the day and will probably come home to see my character swinging from the gallows. So, here is my reveal so I can talk about it after I'm dead:

Jardar Viking, son of a chieftain in Hordaland

You are the Champion to Haakon Jarl of Norway.
You have trained at Jomsborg and will soon serve in the Varangian guard after this meeting at Althing, Iceland.

If your King is challenged to a fight you can take his place. This is however risky as the Jotun will see that another took the king’s place.

Your King is: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Holmgang ability: 5

As for my vote, it will go to Fenring. Through the "network" that some of you are so paranoid of, I have received a role PM that Fenring is claiming as his own. I present "exhibit A."

HUMAN - Fenring

Fennir "the ringleader"

Greetings player. You have received the role of [....] and will be hunting the Jotun in this game. Every day you will participate in voting another player out of the game by the form described in the opening post in the game thread.
Every night starting in round 2, you will be able to challenge another player to a duel. If you win such a duel your Duel score will increase by 1 point.
Your King is [....] and your faction is [...].

Good luck.

Duel score: [...]

The [...] are his, not mine. Compare my role PM and his and you will see that his is a total and complete fake.

vote: Fenring

Good luck town, you aren't being led astray by Jotun, but other people's acute paranoia.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Bad arguments, my friend.

GH's whole case against me is that he is upset that I dared to accuse him of faking a role PM...

No, you accuse me of faking a role PM when you knew at the time that there was an extremely good chance I had gotten it from Sigurd.

He also assumes people receive pm's the moment others send them. He also assumes reading pm's is the first thing people do when they come on the board.

If you didn't read the PMs before checking the thread, you wouldn't have known about my new role.

So, my Jotun friend, how about trying again?

[Kralizec]

This is bullcrap. Sigurd tailored the PM's to individual members and probably made a few slip ups, or maybe he did it to put people on the wrong track.

I'm not capable of forging Sigurd's writing style, and besides other war veterans would be quick to point out the difference.
I've revealed my PM to a total of four people, add to that two replies and the PM's between me and Keev after his accusation and you have all the PM's I sent and received related to this game (not counting the role PM, obviously)
If anyone cares to disprove that, be my guest. Otherwise there's no conceivable way I could have gotten my hands on a war veteran role PM (because that's what it is). Besides, if I somehow got my hands on an authentic role PM from another player why would I leave out the runes on purpose?

I know of at least one other player who didn't have runes (Pevergreen) and despite the discussion about it, he wasn't lynched. So my case is nothing new, but Keev decides to bring it up anyway.

Vote: Privateerkeev

[TinCow]

That post just doesn't strike me as Jotun. I have seen evidence of my own that not all role PMs are consistent in nature, so this is a plausible excuse. With the silent now speaking, I shall focus on another non-speaker.

Unvote: Fenring
Vote: El Diablo

Oh, and if PK is Jotun, I'm a chihuahua.

[woad&fangs]

vote: privateerkev

Fenring's PM is the real deal.

[Warmaster Horus]

Any proof?
Vote: abstain For the moment.

[woad&fangs]

HUMAN

Woarm "the fangs"

Greetings player. You have received the role of War Veteran and will be hunting the Jotun in this game. Every day you will participate in voting another player out of the game by the form described in the opening post in the game thread.
Every night starting in round 2, you will be able to challenge another player to a duel. If you win such a duel your Duel score will increase by 1 point.
Your Lord is Styrbjörn the Strong and your faction is Jomsborg.

Good luck.

Duel score: 4

GH should be able to confirm it also. If Shlin is still alive(I don't remember) I think he has the same role too.

[shlin28]

Huh?

Me dead, and me not veteran.

Me just a stupid townie (I can say that because I had said this before I died).

Me confused.

[Husar]

Would you tell me what your new Holmgang score is, GH?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Five.

[KukriKhan]

Doesn't Crazed Rabbit do more analysis in these games? He said he's building a computer, which I can understand as eating up his discretionary time. But, when he does come into this thread, he does the absolute bare minimum to qualify as 'participation'.

So, either he's been really heavily tied-up for over a week building a (single?) computer, and hasn't read all these posts, but is trying to do his part, or...

he's hiding out, laying low, taking it on the lam; and sending in his night kill orders quietly, and at the (almost) last minute.

Or, am I out in left field on this, and he's acting normally? Anybody?

[Husar]

Doesn't Crazed Rabbit do more analysis in these games? He said he's building a computer, which I can understand as eating up his discretionary time. But, when he does come into this thread, he does the absolute bare minimum to qualify as 'participation'.

So, either he's been really heavily tied-up for over a week building a (single?) computer, and hasn't read all these posts, but is trying to do his part, or...

he's hiding out, laying low, taking it on the lam; and sending in his night kill orders quietly, and at the (almost) last minute.

Or, am I out in left field on this, and he's acting normally? Anybody?

He said he didn't sleep a lot and had two ten-hour shifts within a short time etc, look into the hardware thread about his new computer it's all there.

Well, I would unvote GH now but due to a lack of alternatives I'm not sure who to switch to, maybe Pkev again? Or perhaps this idler with that kinda demonish name or so, let me look...
....ah yes, so...

Unvote: GeneralHankerchief
Vote: El Diablo

[Craterus]

Fenring and woad, why do your PMs refer to duels when Sigurd has called them Holmgangs everywhere else? Inconsistency that makes me think you two may be two of the Jotun and have fabricated identical PMs that support each other.

Anyway, I think El Diablo is also a good lynch. He's been very low-key and uncontroversial, I couldn't tell you a single thing he's said (I didn't even think he'd posted but he's avoided the WoG so I assume he has).

Anyway, I believe PK to be innocent and the town is making yet another mistake. Unbelievable.

[KukriKhan]

Tally (as of post #984):

P-Kev 5(GH, Motep, CrzRbt, Fenring, w&f)
Fenring 2(Craterus, P-kev)
El Diablo 4(Ichigo, disco1, TinCow, Husar)


abstain 1(WarmasterH)

--edit--

He said he didn't sleep a lot and had two ten-hour shifts within a short time etc, look into the hardware thread about his new computer it's all there.

Yeah, that checks out. Looks like his newborn comp drew its first breath yesterday, noonish, his time. I forgive, for now.

Meanwhile, I'll jump on the El Diablo case, just to make the vote interesting.

vote: El Diablo

He has a little over an hour to explain himself, or my vote stands.

New Tally (as of #985):

P-Kev 5(GH, Motep, CrzRbt, Fenring, w&f)
Fenring 2(Craterus, P-kev)
El Diablo 5(Ichigo, disco1, TinCow, Husar, Kukri)

[Craterus]

Well, I'll break the tie and do us all a favour.

While I'm not entirely sure El Diablo is guilty, he's a better lynch than PKev.

unvote: Fenring
vote: El Diablo

Tally (based on Kukri's):

P-Kev 5(GH, Motep, CrzRbt, Fenring, w&f)
Fenring 1( P-kev)
El Diablo 6(Ichigo, disco1, TinCow, Husar, Kukri, Craterus)

[KukriKhan]

*Tick-Toc* El Diablo. Tempus fugit.

[Sigurd]

---------- Voting closed -----------

Writeup follows

[Motep]

I have a bad feeling about this lynch...

Hopefully, that feeling is proven wrong.

[Sigurd]

Round 4 completion



The Jomsviking camp was in an uproar when they found one of their men with his head nearly twisted off. They hurried towards the Thing centre where they knew they would find the law speaker. They were met by another group also on their way to the law speaker. They too looked furious. They exchanged glances and words on the way in to the centre. They too had lost a man during the night.
When they finally reached the law speaker, he turned around and said: “Let me guess, someone was poisoned this night too?”. The Dane spokesman looked at the brothers of Jom and turned to the law speaker: “There is a dwarf running around the camp. We suspect it is him that has poisoned our men. But somehow, he is no where to be found at dawn. We are executing good men when we should be on the outlook for a short person.” The law speaker put a finger on his temple: “And what about you?” The Jomsviking spokes person looked incredulous at the Danes: “One of our men was found with a broken neck. It couldn’t have been a dwarf, because our man was dragged up from his bedroll into the air by someone very strong; strong enough to break a man’s neck one handed”.
The law speaker cringed. This was what he had feared a while now. “It seems, dear kings men and brothers of Jom, that we have been infiltrated by evil; known to some as Jotun”. The men from the two camps made gestures of wards against evil, while panic painted their faces. Go men to the camps and gather votes. We need to ferret out this evil. Think of whom in your groups is behaving suspiciously and might hide their true nature. Take the tally to me and we will question the candidate with most votes.

The men went and a few hours later returned together with the rest of the retinues. A man called KurkiKhan delivered the tally to the law speaker.
“Is this the man you all agree could be the perpetrator?” “Yes, they answered”. Some where silent and apparently didn’t quite agree, but the majority of votes had picked out El Diablo. The law speaker looked around and with the guidance of KukriKhan located him. “Seize that man”. Two big battle trained men went and grabbed El Diablo in his tunic. El Diablo twisted and in a flash produced two dirks which he stabbed into the men’s throats. TevashSzat and Quintus.J.Cicero dropped to the ground trying to hold their life blood from spilling. KukriKhan moved fast and punched his longsword through El Diablo’s heart. El Diablo died instantly without a sound.

TevashSzat and Quintus could not help dying from blood loss and darkness soon overtook them.
They were surprised when moments later they rode side by side with each an incredible beautiful woman sitting before them. They looked briefly at each other and smiled. It didn’t matter that they were from different kingdoms. Here in the afterlife, they knew they would be close friends.

Tally


El Diablo : 6 (Craterus, disco, Husar, Ichigo, KukriKhan, TinCow)

Privateerkev : 5 (CR, Fenring, GH, Motep, w&f)
Fenring : 1 (PK)

Abstain : 1 (Warmaster)
Not voting : 11 (El Diablo, Curio, Kage, LG, Omanes, pever, Prole, Quintus, Sarathos, Seamus, TevashSzat)


Killed: (5)

Twilightblade (R1)
Caius (R2)
Rythmic (R3)
Eliit Tuhkur (R4)
shlin28 (R4)

Killed by Holmgang: (3)

makaikhaan (R1)
FactionHeir (R2)
Andres (R3)

Lynched: (4)

CountArach (R1)
Tratorix (R2)
glyphz (R3)
El Diablo (R4)

WoG: (3)

scottishranger (R3)
TevashSzat (R4)
Quintus.J.Cicero (R4)

Living: (21)

Craterus
Crazed Rabbit
discovery1
Fenring
Gaius Scribonius Curio
GeneralHankerchief
Husar
Ichigo
Kagemusha
Kukrikhan
LittleGrizzly
Motep
Omanes Alexandrapolites
pevergreen
Privateerkev
Proletariat
Sarathos
Seamus Fermanagh
TinCow
Warmaster Horus
woad&fangs