Intersting case

**Adrian II** · 07-12-2008, 18:32

Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

If the case had legal merit (which I'm not saying it does or doesn't), why shouldn't the law be applied to everyone?

If it's a matter of equality before the law, the asnwer is very simple: the Luthuanian authorities are profoundly biased in favour of Lithuanian war criminals who fought with the Germans or under German command, including those who actively participated in the Holocaust. I believe only a handful of them have been put on trial. In the light of established Lithuanian complicity in the Holocaust, that number is absurdly low. This is why the U.S. Justice is actively pursuing some of these cases; the Lithuanian authorities wouldn't do it themselves. Arad was a witness is several cases brought by the Americans. That is why he is particularly hated by the Lithuanian right.

**KrooK** · 07-12-2008, 22:47

I can't agree with Jager theory. Not at all. Young men from Eastern Europe who joined nazis fought for place for live for their nation. However they defined place for their nations as places when no other nation can live. They commit so many war crimes that I (who don't like commies) have to admit that Russian and polish communist were absolutely agree shooting them.

1) Letovians were perfect members of death camps crews.
2) Ukrainians too - SS commanders were impressed watching their will to kill Jews and Poles.
3) Ukrainian UPA - mentioned topic earlier. Commit extremely cruel war crimes on Poles, Jews and all non Ukrainian people on territory beetwen San and Don. Generally considered as much much more cruel than SS.
4) Ustasze into Croatia and death camp Jasenovac.

On the other hand Israel is protecting Jews who commited war crimes into ww2 and after it.

Now 2nd case.
Informations about that guy were into polish newspaper "Rzeczpospolita". Its probably most impartial ghazette in Poland and no one can connect it with anti semitism. They do not base on any Lithuanian newspaper but on data from lithuanian investigation and interview with Arad when he is replying questions. So that information wrote into that ghazette can be trusted and can't be denied without checking.

This moment I'm reading conversation with Icchak Arad when he confess that he took part into plundering villages and he took part into fights with polish partizans. There is strong evidence that he with other soviet partizans took part into murder of polish partizan.

Anyway this case is interesting example of process into whole world.
Not only Lithuanians don't agree on equality. Israel behave same. Of course on lower scale but same. You asked me about Koniuchy case. I have not ilusions about it. IPN asked Israeli prosecutors for help. According to IPN statements they have very strong evidence. However I'm sure Israel reply something like "Maybe these Jews were there, but they definitely did not commit any crime cause they are Jews and Jews were always victims. And these Jews were into Auschwitz (because all Jews from Eastern Europe were into Auschwitz) so that they are allowed to do everything." They are doing that practically all the time when someone is trying to accuse Jew of anything that he done into ww2. Sad but true -check Morel case.

**Tribesman** · 07-12-2008, 23:10

However I'm sure Israel reply something like "Maybe these Jews were there, but they definitely did not commit any crime cause they are Jews and Jews were always victims.

what complete and utter bollox , you keep on mentioning the IPN , why don't you read their bloody site

**KrooK** · 07-13-2008, 08:45

Because I had no time like I mentioned earlier and I read earlier news from IPN.
According to their site Israel replied on their asking for law help.
They don't tell about reply so that I didn't read reply yet.

Anyway into Arad case there is something very interesting.
Into todays Lithuania lives dozens of former soviet partizans.
Many of them has blood on their hands. And Adrian is right that is strange that suddenly
prosecutors want catch one Jew, who was just a private during ww2.

**Tribesman** · 07-13-2008, 10:03

They don't tell about reply so that I didn't read reply yet.

So you didn't read that the IPN have full access to all the Israeli records on war crimes and the holocaust then and the Israeli commision has full access to all the IPN records .
I bet you didn't read either that the Ukranian government have given awards to IPN staff for their work on documenting and investigating events from that troubled time .

**CBR** · 07-13-2008, 12:32

Although history is involved this seems backroom'ish to me...

**Evil_Maniac From Mars** · 07-13-2008, 13:16

Originally Posted by Adrian II

If it's a matter of equality before the law, the asnwer is very simple: the Luthuanian authorities are profoundly biased in favour of Lithuanian war criminals who fought with the Germans or under German command, including those who actively participated in the Holocaust. I believe only a handful of them have been put on trial. In the light of established Lithuanian complicity in the Holocaust, that number is absurdly low. This is why the U.S. Justice is actively pursuing some of these cases; the Lithuanian authorities wouldn't do it themselves. Arad was a witness is several cases brought by the Americans. That is why he is particularly hated by the Lithuanian right.

Then those who actively participated in the Holocaust should be put on trial, but there's no reason that the Soviet shouldn't have been put on trial just because some Lithuanians committed war crimes for the other side.