EB MP tornament and general dicussion

[king hannibal]

Welcome to the first EB Tournament

hi so it seem people are up for a tornament good to see

this thread is for everything to do with the general dicussion of EB MP and the tornament that will start on the 22nd of may to let all them tried students and a few days to get over there hang overs

but first has any one got a good way of judging the compertion fairly and flexiable bean (RTR fan jump for joy ) came up with the idea of everyone fight each other and the person that wins the most wins the tornament this is probly the best way to get people into it but not for judging the champion as the person that on it will most likey win and there are people that will never see each other



Game play

so what if we do a regional time line compertion where you play people from you're time line say GMT 0 to +8hour and then do three groups this way and send the winners though to play each other or the modders if there up for it play them?

I though this myself and someone else has said it thougher down which I think should be added 1 game with one faction so you only get to use that faction once on the tornament although this depends on how many people join the tornament, but will cut down on looking for one army to beat everyone else with

the score for each battle depends on what you get +4 to your score if you get a historical victory and so if you get close victory you get +1 but you are not allowed to atmite defeat to stop someone getting a better victory but you can reteat to stop them getting a better victory

2 matches per person you play

so is everyone up for the regional time line Idea of the the tornament?

any different ideas for gameplay you can think of doing?

rules

need 2 photos like this of the battle





use this to get up to 20 images of battles
http://www.game-master.net/pages/grabby.html

no upgrading attack of any units only +1 defence upgrade to any unit

no upgrading archers-slinger-horse achers Experince

no spamming a few units so, max of 6 units for only 1 unit type of any faction for any main unit that the faction has and then 4 after that of a factions main units types for that army unless you are rome with legionare which can have 10 units, meranaire or auxilaire units no more than 2-3 for any unit type and finaly no more than 2 units of the same cav

hmm I've see that people want the horse achers limited I'm trying to think of a good way to word it
how about this no more than 4-5 unit types of horse archer with the rule of no more than 2 horse units of any type for nomand faction and no more than 1 unit type of horse archer for the other factions?

money I think should be 20000 - 50000 each player get to chose the amount for one battle each within there bounderys

no red line bordering

anyone want to add or have changed them? I'm trying to keep it simple so it's easy to remember them

maps using and ideas for maps

also what do people think about having a hilly maps that are good for both sides although I think we should use them I think if the person you are againest dosen't want to fight on them then you have to come down from the hill or not go on the map

MAP ALLOWED

macedonian ruins ------------------- should be balanced - hilly
grassy flatland --------------------- flat
syrian flats ------------------------- flat
EB irish east coast ------------------ flatish just slanting up hill on one flank of all map
EB irish marshlands ------------------ flat - few tree for both sides
EB belgica ---------------------- flat treey - in middle of map room to deploy out of trees at sides of map
EB western gual --------------------- one side tilt mound on one flank the other a few trees
EB pripyat marshes ------------------ flat
EB Danube Delta ------------ flatish just slanting up hill on one flank of all map one sides got a few trees

the wild card maps
EB nineveh and the tigris ------------- hills on both sides of flanks race to the middle
sarmatian mound -------------------- race to the middle - mound in middle of map


just ask if you want one to be added but I think we should have a good number here

X-fire names - times likely to be on and there countrys

so put your name down now for the first EB tornament

X-fire name -------- time that they can get on ------ country and GMT time line on if need or requested

kinghannibalrtr --------------6pm to 12 AM --------------------------- ENG GMT 0
if PMed a few days before may also be able to get on any other times from 9 AM to 12AM

Mulattothrasher -------------- not sure -------------------------------- USA -4hrs east

lovejoy3 --------------------- not sure -------------------------------- not sure think ENG

1stNeoSpartan --------------- not sure -------------------------------- USA GMT -4hrs east

Burakuku -------------------- not sure --------------------------------- +3 GMT

Kallinikospalaestinos ---------3pm to 10 pm ----------------------------- - 6hrs GMT

wertdengrumme ------------- not sure --------------------------------- denmark GMT -1

Trippin301 ------------------ not sure --------------------------------- USA central -5 GMT

hamachi name
lorDBula -------------------- not sure ---------------------------------- GMT +1

ok we got the competiters I've divid us all into to groups it seems it's going to be Americans V Americans and Europeans V Europeans with a the finals American V Europe

group Europe ...........................SCORE...............MEN KILLED ...........NUMBER OF BATTLES HAD

King hinnibal ---------------------- ........ ---------- .............. ---------- ................................
Lovejoy 3 ------------------------- ....... ---------- ............... --------- .................................
Burakuku ------------------------- ........ ---------- ............... --------- .................................
wertdengrumme ------------------- ........ ---------- .............. --------- .................................
lorDBula -------------------------- ........ ---------- .............. ---------- .................................

group American..........................SCORE..............MEN KILLED ............NUMBER OF BATTLES HAD

Mulattothrasher ------------------- ........ ---------- .............. ---------- ..................................
1stNeoSpartan -------------------- ........ ---------- .............. ---------- ..................................
Kallinikospalaestinos --------------- ........ ---------- ............. ---------- ..................................
Trippin301 ------------------------ ........ ---------- .............. ---------- ..................................

Hamachi servers have been setup to

server name: EB tornament American --- for the American group
password: EB MP

server name: EB tornament Europe ----- for the Europe group
password: EB MP

[Power2the1]

Xfire: Mulattothrasher
Hamachi: The_Gaesatae
Time Zone: EST
Country: USA


I'm all for the time zone/region organization, unless somebody knows theres a better way to do it.

Not sure on rules, but, 40-50k should address most anything cost wise


A few of my own rules for consideration
-Roman players should stick to historical compositions; so with legions, for example, having more than 1 first cohort, and 9 standard cohorts isn't allowed.
-No elephants
-No artillery

I do not have much experience with factions that field horse archers. How many horse archer type units should be allowed in an MP match?

[Lovejoy]

22th of may. I wont be able to play the first weak or so.

-No elephants
-No artillery

Do not agree. Elephants isnt that great. And they cost ALOT. I dont see the problem.

Artillery? Hm maybe.. I dont remember them being so good. But maybe they are overpowerd in some way...?

EDIT:
XFIRE: lovejoy3

[NeoSpartan]

About the Rules...

As I explained before in the MP fficial thread, $$$ can heavyly affect the outcome of a battle.

40K is on the high end. 50k is REALLY on the hight end (like all elites type of high end).
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I'll come back to the rules in a little but lets talk about how the tornament will be set up.

The time zone idea is AWESOME! we should stick to it.

Now... as I pointed out before in EB $$$ makes a HUGE difference as some factions are better than other when playing at a certain budget amount.

Because of that I called that players should play 3 battles against eachother before moving on. HOWEVER, because of this is our 1st tornament and its more of a test type of thing, I say 1 battle is enough. We need to see how this thing develops. and organize one better for next time.

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Regarding gameplay rulez here is an ongoing discussion me and Gabeleisis were having:

Re: E.B. multiplayer (offical)




Originally Posted by Gebeleisis
ok in case of a tourney these are the suggested rules in my opinion,feel free to spread your opinions

Rules are:

-Grassy Plain map or any other flat maps that have to be accepted by both players
-2 out of 3 games
-money:
15k mnai
30k mnai
45k mnai
-no red line camping

Army selection rules:
-you can use a faction only once in every stage of the competition
-max 4 RI (ranged infantry includes: archers,slingers) ["Peltastai" and units like these do not count like ranged infantry]
-max 4 same units
-max 4 HA (Horse archers includes javelin armed cavalry)
-max 1 level upgrade
-minimum of troops per army differs to the amount of money the tourney runs on

NeoSpartan Wrote:

-max 4 same units
An exeption to this rule are the (marian & Imperial) Legionaries to a Max of 10.

-max 4 HA (Horse archers includes javelin armed cavalry)
-- I am not so sure about this. Maybe a limit to 4 HA of the same kind. Ex: 4 Catapharact HA only. But OK with 4 unarmored HA. To a max of 10 HA units.
---> I say because HA factions normaly threw out lots of HA's.
------> and if YOU play against a HA faction the limit of 4 RI does not apply.

Gab can u clarify more on this "max 4 same units"???
-When I used to play MP we had a similar rule we meant the unit itself not the category of the unit.
-ex: Max of 4 Pezetaori (sp), but u can have 4 Phalangitai Deuteroi in ur army too.

Another rule:
Max of 5 Merc unit OF ANY KIND.
--ex: You are the Romani and u can have a 1 Classical Hoplite, 1 Hoplitai Troglodutikes, 2 Prodomoi, 1 Thraikioi Hippeis

Gebeleisis Wrote:
yes i was refering to the "same unit" as name like you explained

and i do not agree with max 10 ha case it will turn out a 2 hour battle until they use up their arrows

Now I write.... (and respond to king hannibal, Power2the1, Lovejoy)

1. From my expireince the HA battles didn't take 2hrs.... HOWEVER they did take longer than usual PLUS a flat terrain does offer advantages to HA armies. Put the same HA is the thick bushes of Germania and they are

So yeah 4 HA. Ur right.
-But I would not count Javening Cavarly as HA, I mean its SO not the same. (they need to get a lot closer, they don't have as much ammo, and they don't tend to be as armored as the better HA's)

2. The way to choose how much $$ to use will be by the players choosing 15k, or 30k, or 45k. If they can't decide do a "coin toss" or a "think of a number", or a 3rd party choose it for them.

Once the players are choosing their armies AND they have a budget of less than $45k, the players can choose weather or not to increase or decrease the amount of $$ to a MAX of $3000.
ex:
-X and Y chose to play with 30k.
-They talk and decide to decrease that amont by $2000.
-They choose their armies with a budget of 28k.

---I add this because as I've explained before the type of army, the tacticts, and the effectivenss on that army at a given budget varies from faction to faction. Remember fellas EB is "historically balanced" not "gameplay balanced".

3. I have no problems if a player wants to spend all his budget on elephants and artillery. Remember guys, this is EB, you ain't gonna see cheap Onagers throwing accurate fire bombs at your troops.

4. 100% absolutely NO upgrades.
Here is why:
-Upgrades not only mess up the stats of units BUT the +attack/defence/moral are unevenly distributed. Eventhough upgrades cost more the more expensive the unit is, this cost difference does is not even among all factions. And neither is the amount of bonus give.


For those who don't have it:
X-Fire: 1stNeoSpartan
Hamachi: 1stNeoSpartan
EST time, USA.
-4hrs GMT

[The Celtic Viking]

22nd May is not so good for me either. :|

- Why grassy plain map? Any map that is agreed upon by both players, I say - and if no agreement can be made, send in 3rd party.
- Why ban people from using the same faction more than once/stage? Or is that only once/tournament? I want my God-King!
- No restrictions on ellies or arties. My reason being that there is no reason to restrict them. They're not overpowered, and not exactly cheap anyway. I, personally, would rather spending that money on other units anyway.

I agree with Spartan on the jav cav not counting as HAs, and not to be restricted the same. I mean, you're not limiting foot javs along with the foot archers and slingers, so why do it with horses? Especially as skirmishers are a helluva lot better than the jav cav in ranged... and the peltastai you mentioned aren't exactly peasants in melee either.

X-Fire: TVMonkey
GMT +1

[Ibrahim]

why not? but on 1 condition:

is it doable with a clean v1.1 (iread in multiplayer thread it is .81 v jazz that I don't get)
if so, then anywhere from 3:00 pm in texas time to 10:00pm in same time (in GMT I dunno)

[Gaius marcus]

Im here now

Xfire: Trippin301

Country: USA

Time Zone: Central

[NeoSpartan]

Im here now

Xfire: Trippin301

Country: USA

Time Zone: Central

use this to figure out ur GMT
http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/

F* it ur 1hrs before me so ur

-5GMT

[PershsNhpios]

There is only one rule I want to propose;

That is Romani player can use only Polybian reforms.

I recently had a terrible MP game with Burakuku - terrible because my graphics card had a heart attack and the framerate went down to less than 0.1 per second. The actual ping and internet lag was fine.
Ironic.

In any case, I was allowed to use Imperial Romans against his Carthage.

Even though I was paralyzed, and he had all my units completely surrounded, and killed my general - not even one of my cohorts wavered until I admitted defeat.
I could have won by just sitting there watching frame by paralyzed frame.

So anything more than Polybians are overpowered for multiplayer I think - it takes away from the strategy - although perhaps an ahistorical use of Post-Marian cavalry can be implemented.

Apart from that - I see absolutely no reason for any of the rules proposed except the one limiting the number of specific troop units.

Who is going to enforce all these rules?

I won't be, I'll be having fun and enjoying the variety of players.

[NeoSpartan]

huh??? Glenn did u try reducing your graphics settings????????

[Power2the1]

I know what Glenn is talking about. I, too, was playing as the Marian Romans against hannibal who was Carthage. I think I had 1 cohort rout and a few auxiliary troops and thats it. I was playing historical too, with one 1st cohort and 9 regular cohorts.

Although I won that battle, I proposed afterwards that no Romans be allowed. We both agreed. It was so one sided that even I, who won, found little enjoyment in it becasue it was so one sided.

Just something to consider.

[||Lz3||]

where are you guys?

[king hannibal]

I'm still here and as far as I know so is everyone else I guessing they not been able to play each other yet anyway I didn't think it was worth keep on posting on here to keep it on the front page

[Power2the1]

I'm sorry for my inactivity on Xfire/Hamachi. I swear I had plenty time up until the day of the tournament then outta nowhere everything goes haywire.

This turn of events upsets Caesar

[NeoSpartan]

Im here now

Xfire: Trippin301

Country: USA

Time Zone: -5 GMT (this last bit edited by NeoSpartan)

Fellas Gaius Marcus will be in the American Tournament group.

[king hannibal]

WElcome to the offical start of the first EB tornament

hi

you've have been setup into 2 teams with people that you will most likly be able to play

I've divid us all into 2 groups it seems it's going to be Americans V Americans and Europeans V Europeans with a the finals American V Europe

you will be scored on what victorys you win say you win a close victory you get +1 points and so if you get victory you get +2 to you score and so on

close victory +1
victory +2
clear victory +3
heroic victory +4

group Europe ...........................SCORE...............MEN KILLED...........NUMBER OF BATTLES HAD

King hinnibal ---------------------- ........ ---------- .............. ---------- ................................
Lovejoy 3 ------------------------- ....... ---------- ............... --------- .................................
Burakuku ------------------------- ........ ---------- ............... --------- .................................
wertdengrumme ------------------- ........ ---------- .............. --------- .................................
lorDBula -------------------------- ........ ---------- .............. ---------- .................................

group American..........................SCORE..............MEN KILLED ............NUMBER OF BATTLES HAD

Mulattothrasher ------------------- ........ ---------- .............. ---------- ..................................
1stNeoSpartan -------------------- ........ ---------- .............. ---------- ..................................
Kallinikospalaestinos --------------- ........ ---------- ............. ---------- ..................................
Trippin301 ------------------------ ........ ---------- .............. ---------- ..................................

Hamachi servers have been setup to

server name: EB tornament American --- for the American group
password: EB MP

server name: EB tornament Europe ----- for the Europe group
password: EB MP

RULES

2 matches per person you play

need 2 photos like this of the battles





use this to get up to 20 images of battles but change the names when you've got the photos or they will override the one that you didn't change

http://www.game-master.net/pages/grabby.html

no upgrading attack of any units only +1 defence upgrade to any unit

no upgrading archers-slinger-horse achers Experince

no spamming a few units so, max of 6 units for only 1 unit type of any faction for any main unit that the faction has and then 4 after that of a factions main units types for that army unless you are rome with legionare which can have 10 units, meranaire or auxilaire units no more than 2 for any unit type and finaly no more than 2 units of the same cav

no more than 5 unit types of horse archers with the rule of no more than 2 horse units of any type for nomandic factions ie saka and no more than 1 unit type of horse archer for the other factions?

money is 20000 - 50000 each player get to chose the amount for one battle each within theres bounderys

no red line bordering

maps using and ideas for maps

MAP ALLOWED

macedonian ruins ------------------- should be balanced - hilly
grassy flatland --------------------- flat
syrian flats ------------------------- flat
EB irish east coast ------------------ flatish just slanting up hill on one flank of all map
EB irish marshlands ------------------ flat - few tree for both sides
EB belgica ---------------------- flat treey - in middle of map room to deploy out of trees at sides of map
EB western gual --------------------- one side tilt mound on one flank the other a few trees
EB pripyat marshes ------------------ flat
EB Danube Delta ------------ flatish just slanting up hill on one flank of all map one sides got a few trees

the wild card maps

EB nineveh and the tigris ------------- hills on both sides of flanks race to the middle
sarmatian mound -------------------- race to the middle - mound in middle of map

there's abit few more details on first post like were player are from and when there on
so now your over your hang over get drunk on battle

[LorDBulA]

This is not really an answer to my questions.

Quote from rules section.

hmm I've see that people want the horse achers limited I'm trying to think of a good way to word it
how about this no more than 4-5 unit types of horse archer with the rule of no more than 2 horse units of any type for nomand factions and no more than 1 unit type of horse archer for the other factions?

This is a question not a statement. How are we suppose to understand it?

Maps, there is a list but again no rules how do we choose maps.
Since we play 2 battles each does each of the players choose one map from the list?

There is no Hamachi network with this name "EB tornament Europe".
There is also no with "EB tournament Europe".

Its all really confusing.

[king hannibal]

there should be a server called EB tornament Europe I'll try and get someone else to try and join it

k guess the rules are confusing I'll try and word them better

and yes you get 2 battles with someone with them chosing the map and money you will play with first and then you chose them for the secound battle

and so on with all the other players

[king hannibal]

ok the first EB tornament didn't work so I've created another with the same password and everything try it again wert got on

and I've also reword the horse archer rulle see if you get this

no more than 5 unit types of horse archers with the rule of no more than 2 horse units of any type for nomandic factions ie saka and no more than 1 unit type of horse archer for the other factions?

[Ibrahim]

I'll be there in 5-6hrs...

[Emperor Burakuku]

I have played King Hannibal and Lord Bula so far.

Versus King Hannibal one win and one loss, both clear. It's 3 for me, 3 for King Hannibal.

Versus Lord Bula 2-0, both wins for me clear so I got 3 points.

Very nice games mates. GL to all in the future!

Burakuku vs Hannibal. First gane: 1-0. Clear victory.







Burakuku vs Hannibal. 2nd game: 1-1 Clear defeat for me. (don't have the first shot, I think I forgot to take it but you must have yours).



P.S The 2 units with exp (kataphraktoi and HA) didn't have any exp in the beginning.

[Emperor Burakuku]

Burakuku vs Lord Bula. 2-0 both clear victories.

1st game: Kart Hadast vs Lusotanna - clear victory





2nd game: Rome vs Makedonia - clear victory





I guess I have 6 points from these two games, and 3 from the games vs King Hannibal so I got 9 point in total.

[NeoSpartan]

installing EB 1.1......