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Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff:
You think right and wrong is determined by legality/illegality. Think for yourselves, don't let laws dictate your morality.
I certainly do not think that. I can think of many things that are illegal that are not wrong or immoral, and vice versa.You think right and wrong is determined by legality/illegality. Think for yourselves, don't let laws dictate your morality.
Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff:
When did I say "homosexuality should be illegal"? I don't think it should be "illegal". I don't think binge drinking should be illegal, but I would be pissed as hell if my state called itself a destination for binge drinkers. Find me my own words since you have suggested that they exist. Quit using my mouth to put words in, don't you have your own?
I can't put any words in your mouth, it's too full with both your feet in it:When did I say "homosexuality should be illegal"? I don't think it should be "illegal". I don't think binge drinking should be illegal, but I would be pissed as hell if my state called itself a destination for binge drinkers. Find me my own words since you have suggested that they exist. Quit using my mouth to put words in, don't you have your own?
Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff:
To me, homosexual acts are simply actions taken that I believe can and should be condemned by moral opinion, if not by law - In line with theft, sexual promiscuity, public masturbation, etc.
Thanks for playing. We have some lovely parting gifts for you...To me, homosexual acts are simply actions taken that I believe can and should be condemned by moral opinion, if not by law - In line with theft, sexual promiscuity, public masturbation, etc.
Originally Posted by Goofball:
I certainly do not think that. I can think of many things that are illegal that are not wrong or immoral, and vice versa.
I can't put any words in your mouth, it's too full with both your feet in it:
Thanks for playing. We have some lovely parting gifts for you...
I meant what I said. The acts should be condemned by moral opinion if they shouldn't by law. Where did I say that they should be illegal?I certainly do not think that. I can think of many things that are illegal that are not wrong or immoral, and vice versa.
I can't put any words in your mouth, it's too full with both your feet in it:
Thanks for playing. We have some lovely parting gifts for you...
Only one side of this argument has been filled with prejudices and stereotypes.
No-one ever said homosexual acts should be illegal.
No-one ever said homosexual acts should be illegal.
Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff:
I meant what I said. The acts should be condemned by moral opinion if they shouldn't by law. Where did I say that they should be illegal?
Oh, you just want to condemn people.... That'll work out great for the suicide statistics.I meant what I said. The acts should be condemned by moral opinion if they shouldn't by law. Where did I say that they should be illegal?
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Oh, you just want to condemn people.... That'll work out great for the suicide statistics.
Not people - acts.Oh, you just want to condemn people.... That'll work out great for the suicide statistics.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Oh, you just want to condemn people.... That'll work out great for the suicide statistics.
And does it make these people feel better integrated into society when marketing groups tell them to go on holiday to different places than anyone else just because of something that they must feel pretty uncomfortable about in the first place if it is worth killing themselves over?Oh, you just want to condemn people.... That'll work out great for the suicide statistics.
Because so far all TuffStuff and myself has said is basically "we think your sexual acts are immoral, but you are not defined by those".
But everyone else seems to be saying "you are gay, you always will be gay, most of the world hates you because you are gay, and you are so defined by the fact that you are gay that you must even travel seperately from the majority of the world".
Originally Posted by Caledonian Rhyfelwyr:
But everyone else seems to be saying "you are gay, you always will be gay, most of the world hates you because you are gay, and you are so defined by the fact that you are gay that you must even travel seperately from the majority of the world".
I think most of us on the 'prejudiced and stereotyping' side of the argument would love for gays to just be able to travel around in safety and dignity. Like, you know, the majority of the world. Or for gays to just go to school without being ostracised like a freak. But everyone else seems to be saying "you are gay, you always will be gay, most of the world hates you because you are gay, and you are so defined by the fact that you are gay that you must even travel seperately from the majority of the world".
Have a heart. They're not lawyers you know.
I really don't see the problem with any of this. I am not sure at which of these three levels gay SC is promoted, but I don't mind any:
Gays being invited to see the local sights in a non-threatening atmosphere. That is, a tolerant mind being promoted.
Or gays being targeted as a separate demographic, the way a lot of advertissement is targeted at specific market segments.
Or South Carolina promoting it's varied gay activities.
I mean, really, what's the big deal. It's 2008, come on. Is Panzer the only reasonable conservative left?
And what's up with all that talk about sex, sex, sex in you and Tuff's posts? My first association with this thread was of two gays checking out the local museums. Yet the two of you fill three pages with sexual posts..?
I note that you ended your last post with a sensual whip (
) - anything you'd like to share with us? Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat:
And what's up with all that talk about sex, sex, sex in you and Tuff's posts? My first association with this thread was of two gays checking out the local museums. Yet the two of you fill three pages with sexual posts..?
I think the problem is that me and Tuff see the ad as targeting something else compared to what you see.And what's up with all that talk about sex, sex, sex in you and Tuff's posts? My first association with this thread was of two gays checking out the local museums. Yet the two of you fill three pages with sexual posts..?
Because you believe homosexuality to be something that utterly defines people, not just in the eyes of the world but the way they must act, the way they think of themselves, and where they go on holiday. And in that sense the advert appears to target a market segment in your eyes.
When I see the advert, I see it as targeting people because of their sexual practises. Because unlike you, I believe that these acts happen to be one immoral thing that these people do. Behind these acts are people, who have more to them than what they do in the bedroom! Therefore, there is no reason to suggest that a homosexual should like South Carolina more/less than a straight person. Do you think there is?
That latter point was addressed more than adequately earlier on. There are plenty of places where a gay couple cannot go on holiday, where chances are they will be treated poorly if seen walking hand in hand, audible lewd comments made behind their back. Why on earth would they want to go to such a place?
The advertisement implied that South Carolina was above such demeaning and petty practices. Apparently, South Carolina disagrees. Their loss.
The advertisement implied that South Carolina was above such demeaning and petty practices. Apparently, South Carolina disagrees. Their loss.
Originally Posted by Caledonian Rhyfelwyr:
Because so far all TuffStuff and myself has said is basically "we think your sexual acts are immoral, but you are not defined by those".
But everyone else seems to be saying "you are gay, you always will be gay, most of the world hates you because you are gay, and you are so defined by the fact that you are gay that you must even travel seperately from the majority of the world".
And South Carolina seems to be saying, "you are gay, we hate you because you are gay, and you must travel to some other part of the world. Oh, and sorry for those ads that falsely suggested we are tolerant. They were a mistake." Because so far all TuffStuff and myself has said is basically "we think your sexual acts are immoral, but you are not defined by those".
But everyone else seems to be saying "you are gay, you always will be gay, most of the world hates you because you are gay, and you are so defined by the fact that you are gay that you must even travel seperately from the majority of the world".
Ajax
Originally Posted by Caledonian Rhyfelwyr:
But everyone else seems to be saying "you are gay, you always will be gay, most of the world hates you because you are gay, and you are so defined by the fact that you are gay that you must even travel seperately from the majority of the world".
Yes, most likely they will always be gay. But everyone else seems to be saying "you are gay, you always will be gay, most of the world hates you because you are gay, and you are so defined by the fact that you are gay that you must even travel seperately from the majority of the world".
Will you one day cease being hetero perhaps? Most likely not. You could just as well ask them to cease being white, oh ya.Originally Posted by Viking:
Will you one day cease being hetero perhaps?
No, but it happens doesn't it?Will you one day cease being hetero perhaps?
Originally Posted by Caledonian Rhyfelwyr:
No, but it happens doesn't it?
Does it?No, but it happens doesn't it?
Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff:
I meant what I said. The acts should be condemned by moral opinion if they shouldn't by law. Where did I say that they should be illegal?
Sorry, perhaps I misunderstood. I read that to be the same type of statement as, for example, "That guy is dishonest, if not an outright crook." To me that is an "at best/at worst" type of statement, meaning you believe the first idea to be true, and would also support the second idea, if not as strongly.I meant what I said. The acts should be condemned by moral opinion if they shouldn't by law. Where did I say that they should be illegal?
The fact that you included homosexual behaviour in the same category as theft and public masturbation (things that most people believe should be illegal), led me to believe that you were saying homosexual acts should also be illegal.
Forgive me if I misunderstood.
Originally Posted by Goofball:
Sorry, perhaps I misunderstood. I read that to be the same type of statement as, for example, "That guy is dishonest, if not an outright crook." To me that is an "at best/at worst" type of statement, meaning you believe the first idea to be true, and would also support the second idea, if not as strongly.
The fact that you included homosexual behaviour in the same category as theft and public masturbation (things that most people believe should be illegal), led me to believe that you were saying homosexual acts should also be illegal.
Forgive me if I misunderstood.
I agree - The figure of speech was incorrectly used. It was Mind-Bottling, if you will.Sorry, perhaps I misunderstood. I read that to be the same type of statement as, for example, "That guy is dishonest, if not an outright crook." To me that is an "at best/at worst" type of statement, meaning you believe the first idea to be true, and would also support the second idea, if not as strongly.
The fact that you included homosexual behaviour in the same category as theft and public masturbation (things that most people believe should be illegal), led me to believe that you were saying homosexual acts should also be illegal.
Forgive me if I misunderstood.
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