South Carolina is so gay!

[HoreTore]

I meant what I said. The acts should be condemned by moral opinion if they shouldn't by law. Where did I say that they should be illegal?

Oh, you just want to condemn people.... That'll work out great for the suicide statistics.

[ICantSpellDawg]

Oh, you just want to condemn people.... That'll work out great for the suicide statistics.

Not people - acts.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Oh, you just want to condemn people.... That'll work out great for the suicide statistics.

And does it make these people feel better integrated into society when marketing groups tell them to go on holiday to different places than anyone else just because of something that they must feel pretty uncomfortable about in the first place if it is worth killing themselves over?

Because so far all TuffStuff and myself has said is basically "we think your sexual acts are immoral, but you are not defined by those".

But everyone else seems to be saying "you are gay, you always will be gay, most of the world hates you because you are gay, and you are so defined by the fact that you are gay that you must even travel seperately from the majority of the world".

[Louis VI the Fat]

But everyone else seems to be saying "you are gay, you always will be gay, most of the world hates you because you are gay, and you are so defined by the fact that you are gay that you must even travel seperately from the majority of the world".

I think most of us on the 'prejudiced and stereotyping' side of the argument would love for gays to just be able to travel around in safety and dignity. Like, you know, the majority of the world. Or for gays to just go to school without being ostracised like a freak.

Have a heart. They're not lawyers you know.


I really don't see the problem with any of this. I am not sure at which of these three levels gay SC is promoted, but I don't mind any:
Gays being invited to see the local sights in a non-threatening atmosphere. That is, a tolerant mind being promoted.
Or gays being targeted as a separate demographic, the way a lot of advertissement is targeted at specific market segments.
Or South Carolina promoting it's varied gay activities.

I mean, really, what's the big deal. It's 2008, come on. Is Panzer the only reasonable conservative left?


And what's up with all that talk about sex, sex, sex in you and Tuff's posts? My first association with this thread was of two gays checking out the local museums. Yet the two of you fill three pages with sexual posts..?
I note that you ended your last post with a sensual whip () - anything you'd like to share with us?

[Rhyfelwyr]

And what's up with all that talk about sex, sex, sex in you and Tuff's posts? My first association with this thread was of two gays checking out the local museums. Yet the two of you fill three pages with sexual posts..?

I think the problem is that me and Tuff see the ad as targeting something else compared to what you see.

Because you believe homosexuality to be something that utterly defines people, not just in the eyes of the world but the way they must act, the way they think of themselves, and where they go on holiday. And in that sense the advert appears to target a market segment in your eyes.

When I see the advert, I see it as targeting people because of their sexual practises. Because unlike you, I believe that these acts happen to be one immoral thing that these people do. Behind these acts are people, who have more to them than what they do in the bedroom! Therefore, there is no reason to suggest that a homosexual should like South Carolina more/less than a straight person. Do you think there is?

[Geoffrey S]

That latter point was addressed more than adequately earlier on. There are plenty of places where a gay couple cannot go on holiday, where chances are they will be treated poorly if seen walking hand in hand, audible lewd comments made behind their back. Why on earth would they want to go to such a place?

The advertisement implied that South Carolina was above such demeaning and petty practices. Apparently, South Carolina disagrees. Their loss.

[Rhyfelwyr]

And so rather than making it clear that South Carolina would be tolerant they said "South Carolina is so gay!"

[HoreTore]

And so rather than making it clear that South Carolina would be tolerant they said "South Carolina is so gay!"

That's called marketing jargon. Deal with it.

[ajaxfetish]

Because so far all TuffStuff and myself has said is basically "we think your sexual acts are immoral, but you are not defined by those".

But everyone else seems to be saying "you are gay, you always will be gay, most of the world hates you because you are gay, and you are so defined by the fact that you are gay that you must even travel seperately from the majority of the world".

And South Carolina seems to be saying, "you are gay, we hate you because you are gay, and you must travel to some other part of the world. Oh, and sorry for those ads that falsely suggested we are tolerant. They were a mistake."

Ajax

[Viking]

But everyone else seems to be saying "you are gay, you always will be gay, most of the world hates you because you are gay, and you are so defined by the fact that you are gay that you must even travel seperately from the majority of the world".

Yes, most likely they will always be gay. Will you one day cease being hetero perhaps? Most likely not. You could just as well ask them to cease being white, oh ya.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Will you one day cease being hetero perhaps?

No, but it happens doesn't it?

[Viking]

No, but it happens doesn't it?

Does it?

[Rhyfelwyr]

Well, I've seen on documentaries there are married prisoners with several children who claimed to be 100% straight, only to go into full homosexual relationships in prison.

[Viking]

Well, I've seen on documentaries there are married prisoners with several children who claimed to be 100% straight, only to go into full homosexual relationships in prison.

'Claimed' is the key; either way.

Anyhow, I'm not going to read this thread over again, word for word, but really, I cannot see where anyone said that someone should be classified homosexuals for the rest of their life if they themselves should not agree with it (nor can I possibly see why anyone would suggest that). Drop the strawmen.

[Geoffrey S]

Well, I've seen on documentaries there are married prisoners with several children who claimed to be 100% straight, only to go into full homosexual relationships in prison.

Joey, have you ever been to a Turkish prison?

[HoreTore]

Well, I've seen on documentaries there are married prisoners with several children who claimed to be 100% straight, only to go into full homosexual relationships in prison.

That's called "being in the closet". Check it up sometime. It's a nice side effect you get when you have a society condemning them.