South Carolina is so gay!

[HoreTore]

It's a freaking shame, isn't it? That is the inherent drawback of democracy. The LCD has a lot of pull. A guy who didn't complete grade 8, has never had a job, and has never spent 5 minutes thinking (let alone reading) about the issues, has just as much say in politics as you or I do.

I see that as a strength. Why? Because it gives the people who did complete the 8th grade a motivation to ensure that everyone else does too. Since their opinion matters just as much as yours, it's in your own good to educate them.

EDIT: As for the rest of the thread, well, I lol'ed.

Btw PJ, have you reconsidered your stance on gays lately? I seem to remember you saying in some "iran hangs another gay guy"-thread that "while gay people should be discriminated, killing them is just too much" or something to that effect...

[PanzerJaeger]

Btw PJ, have you reconsidered your stance on gays lately? I seem to remember you saying in some "iran hangs another gay guy"-thread that "while gay people should be discriminated, killing them is just too much" or something to that effect...

I have never been particularly against homosexuality. It has always been rather obvious to me that physical attraction is not a conscious choice, regardless of whether one falls into the nature or nurture camps.

I used to be far more vocally against the Pride movement, especially the sexually charged atmosphere it produces, but lately I’ve come to view it as more of an unfortunate reaction. People who are treated with such contempt often act out. I don’t think the majority of gay people are out to destroy religion or family values. In fact, I think there are probably a good number of homosexuals who believe in a less regulated economy, lower taxes, a strong national defense, and the preservation of basic rights such as bearing arms who have been driven to the left.

I’ve come to the conclusion that the whole thing is a complete non-issue drummed up by people for three fundamentally flawed reasons: a)they just think its gross and want to legislate their own tastes, b)they believe its against their religion, or c)they have an innate fear that either they or their children could “catch” it.

In America, the Supreme Court line up has actually given us a realistic shot at overturning Roe Vs. Wade. That’s the social issue that should be our number one priority. Children are being killed every day in America while infertile couples desperately seek them, and it seems some on the Right want to waste limited time and resources on defining the virtually nonexistent differences between marriages and civil unions in the constitution, keeping gay support groups out of schools, and making sure not one “gay” cent makes it into their state coffers. Priorities!

[Rhyfelwyr]

I used to be far more vocally against the Pride movement, especially the sexually charged atmosphere it produces, but lately I’ve come to view it as more of an unfortunate reaction. People who are treated with such contempt often act out. I don’t think the majority of gay people are out to destroy religion or family values. In fact, I think there are probably a good number of homosexuals who believe in a less regulated economy, lower taxes, a strong national defense, and the preservation of basic rights such as bearing arms who have been driven to the left.

So homosexuals are now left-wing? Well you can take them back and make them part of your glorious fascist state.

I’ve come to the conclusion that the whole thing is a complete non-issue drummed up by people for three fundamentally flawed reasons: a)they just think its gross and want to legislate their own tastes, b)they believe its against their religion, or c)they have an innate fear that either they or their children could “catch” it.

In Health Education classes they tell people that it is completely normal to be attracted to the same sex. And they do this to children from under 10 years old, when some of them will still have no inclinations at all. And condsidering the ridiculously disproportionate time they spend on homosexuality I wouldn't be surprised if these children do think its completely normal and common. And now there is talk they will be teaching children these things from 6 years old, to help them with relationships apparently. Any sex education for children that age is a sickening thought. Gah! I just finished these classes a few years ago at school myself, why do I sound like a pensioner!

In America, the Supreme Court line up has actually given us a realistic shot at overturning Roe Vs. Wade. That’s the social issue that should be our number one priority. Children are being killed every day in America while infertile couples desperately seek them, and it seems some on the Right want to waste limited time and resources on defining the virtually nonexistent differences between marriages and civil unions in the constitution, keeping gay support groups out of schools, and making sure not one “gay” cent makes it into their state coffers. Priorities!

What child would want to live with homosexual parents? Its human nature to know that is not normal. I was, em, pretty innocent compared to other children my age at school, but even when I was young there was a gay (as in the stereotype) pupil a few years above me who creeped the hell out of me, so much so I would hold my breath walking by him. And its not like I was the only one, some of us used to avoid him like the plague.

[Kralizec]

What child would want to live with homosexual parents? Its human nature to know that is not normal. I was, em, pretty innocent compared to other children my age at school, but even when I was young there was a gay (as in the stereotype) pupil a few years above me who creeped the hell out of me, so much so I would hold my breath walking by him. And its not like I was the only one, some of us used to avoid him like the plague.

A) nobody cares what kids want

B) kids won't start wondering about it until they've met other kids who think it's not normal, who think so because their parents think so

C) gayness isn't transmitted through the respiratory system, no point in holding your breath

Kids can be somewhat forgiven for being bigotted because they're stupid and don't stop to wonder why they're disgusted by the mere presence of homosexuals. It's the post-puberty people who never wonder about the reason for it who are responsible for this bigotry because they pass it down to their own kids.

[Rhyfelwyr]

A) nobody cares what kids want

Finding a suitable home for kids who need them is relevant to what is being discussed, so you shouldn't just dismiss it jokingly.

B) kids won't start wondering about it until they've met other kids who think it's not normal, who think so because their parents think so

So people are straight because of peer pressure? Amazing how despite a child's enviroment being irrelevant when it comes to homosexuals, other environments contribute to the masses of straight people.

C) gayness isn't transmitted through the respiratory system, no point in holding your breath

Yes but the point is that children can sense that it is not natural. And you can't blame it on my upbrinding, my parent's aren't religious and they have never mentioned anything to do with sex to me in my life. Which I am thankful of since it is disturbing when you hear of people being given "The Talk".

Kids can be somewhat forgiven for being bigotted because they're stupid and don't stop to wonder why they're disgusted by the mere presence of homosexuals. It's the post-puberty people who never wonder about the reason for it who are responsible for this bigotry because they pass it down to their own kids.

I am disgusted by homosexual people because they do disgusting things. The same way people are digusted by paedophiles and other perverted people. Speaking of which, I wonder when we will start accepting them?

[Kralizec]

So people are straight because of peer pressure? Amazing how despite a child's enviroment being irrelevant when it comes to homosexuals, other environments contribute to the masses of straight people.

That's not what I said. Kids start thinking gay kids are weird because of their peers (not actual "pressure" as it happens mostly on the subconscious level)

If you've been around kids enough you'll now that they start using phrases like "this is gay!" and calling eachother "fag" long before they seriously think about sexuality and when some of them still act as if girls are the fifth collumn in society. Why's that?

[Lemur]

I am disgusted by homosexual people because they do disgusting things.

Every kink is disgusting except for the one that turns you on. Trust me, if you weren't into women the things men do in bed with them would seem silly, strange and possibly harmful. You're going to stick what in where and do what? For how long? Even oral sex is foul and disgusting if you look at it from the right angle.

Here's a crazy thought — why not let other people do what they want, so long as they're not hurting anyone? And don't throw the red herring of pedophilia into the mix, that's a cheap line of rhetoric that doesn't even make sense if you think about it.

[Goofball]

I am disgusted by homosexual people because they do disgusting things. The same way people are digusted by paedophiles and other perverted people. Speaking of which, I wonder when we will start accepting them?

Homosexuals don't do disgusting things. The do things that you find disgusting. There is a very big difference.

At any rate, as soon as somebody pulls out the old gem of comparing homosexuality and pedophilia, I know that there is no longer any point in carrying on the discussion, as their ignorance has at that point shown itself to be beyond my ability to penetrate.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Lemur and Goof need some time together in private.

Might I suggest South Carolina?

[Tribesman]

Wow. Just wow. I'm not sure who I feel more sorry for, you or that poor guy.

Wow, Panzer
I must say you have surprised me throughout this topic .
I would myself add a few comments about that post you quoted , but a few convey my thoughts just as well , but then as he is apparently being serious it needs a to finish

[Rhyfelwyr]

Of course I am not comparing paedophiles to gays. (Active) Paedophiles are not just undescribably disgusting but truly evil. Homosexual acts are just horrible. I think it was part of my point that they are in a completely different league. I am sorry that I was careless with that.

And the whole point of this is not that people are being told to go to South Carolina purely because the people there are tolerant to homosexuals. South Carolina was described as "so gay".

I might be getting flamed for making insensitive remarks but that advert clearly was not designed with subtelty nor consideration for the beliefs of the people of South Carolina. Considering religious folk are being branded as a power-hungry minority, I think it is strange that a lowly ranked official was able to begin this advertising campaign against the wishes of the majority of an entire state.

[HoreTore]

Which I am thankful of since it is disturbing when you hear of people being given "The Talk".

Nah nah, it wasn't all that when I got mine... My dad picked me up at a chicks house, asked who she was. I told him a little about her, and he said "Well, I sure hope you're using condoms, don't make the same mistake I did!" That was it.

[Viking]

I am disgusted by homosexual people because they do disgusting things. The same way people are digusted by paedophiles and other perverted people. Speaking of which, I wonder when we will start accepting them?

Now, homosexuals deal damage to nought, while paedophiles, they....guess what? Harm children.

I'm no "fan" of homosexuality (notably, minus lesbians), but what consenting adults do to each other in the bedroom is more or less none of my business; particularly something as harmless as sex between two people of the same gender.

[ajaxfetish]

I am disgusted by homosexual people because they do disgusting things. The same way people are digusted by paedophiles and other perverted people. Speaking of which, I wonder when we will start accepting them?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informed_consent
You sound like you could afford a few more sex ed courses to straighten things out for you (no pun intended). It shouldn't take more than a few minutes of reading to understand how homosexuality and pedophilia are entirely unrelated.

Ajax

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Many places advertise themselves as great places to come and sneak through the woods, waiting to obliterate wildlife with high powered rifles. That is a much more disturbing activity than gay sex, and offends probably just as many people, if not more, than seeing a gay couple holding hands while they walk down the street.

Would those be...

large bore guns?

[PanzerJaeger]

So homosexuals are now left-wing? Well you can take them back and make them part of your glorious fascist state.

I'm speaking from an American perspective. Your hostility has been noted.

In Health Education classes they tell people that it is completely normal to be attracted to the same sex. And they do this to children from under 10 years old, when some of them will still have no inclinations at all. And condsidering the ridiculously disproportionate time they spend on homosexuality I wouldn't be surprised if these children do think its completely normal and common. And now there is talk they will be teaching children these things from 6 years old, to help them with relationships apparently. Any sex education for children that age is a sickening thought. Gah! I just finished these classes a few years ago at school myself, why do I sound like a pensioner!

I don’t think sex education for 10 year olds, much less 6 year olds, is appropriate at all. Blaming that on gay people is a false argument, though.

Unless your goal is to continue to make life miserable for gay people and keep them on the margins of society, I’m not sure what your issue is with telling children it is ok to be gay, though. Surely you have more of an understanding of human sexuality than to think that would have any bearing on basic attraction in the slightest.

What child would want to live with homosexual parents? Its human nature to know that is not normal. I was, em, pretty innocent compared to other children my age at school, but even when I was young there was a gay (as in the stereotype) pupil a few years above me who creeped the hell out of me, so much so I would hold my breath walking by him. And its not like I was the only one, some of us used to avoid him like the plague.

Wow. Just wow. I'm not sure who I feel more sorry for, you or that poor guy. One day, hopefully, you're going to feel very bad about that...