Starship troopers 3: Marauder

[Conradus]

If you don't trust me then trust your own ears. Thus, supporting my view that Verhoeven's SST was an attempt to make an anti-war/anti-american propaganda film. I think he doesn’t really understand what a Republic is. After all, he is a citizen of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.

Not really fair eh, the Netherlands were already a republic whilst they were still witchburning in the USA.

And I can understand that this movie could be anti-war, but why does he/or you consider it to be anti-American? I've seen it numerous times and never have I thought that it was anti-American.

It's a shame of Heinlein's novel, certainly, but the movie was decent enough in its own right as a decent sf-film.

[cmacq]

Not really fair eh, the Netherlands were already a republic whilst they were still witchburning in the USA.

And I can understand that this movie could be anti-war, but why does he/or you consider it to be anti-American? I've seen it numerous times and never have I thought that it was anti-American.

It's a shame of Heinlein's novel, certainly, but the movie was decent enough in its own right as a decent sf-film.

I'm sorry, thats the point.

Verhoeven thought he was making an anti-war/anti-american flick, that would discredit the precept of the novel, yet in fact he failed in the worst way, as it is neither anti-war, anti-american, nor did it do harm to the book's standing. And Verhoeven, the guy that made the movie still dosen't get it. On top of this critics that think the same as he, grossly misinterpreted the intent of the Imagery used in the movie, branded him with the f word, and consequently help hurt his career (in part due to the tenets of correct speech). Now, that’s what I bloody well call satirical.


Right,
by the way the USA’s republic is only eight years older than the Kingdom of the Netherlands. The glory days of the Dutch Republic are long gone. Besides the Dutch of that era had their own witches to burn (Roermond Netherlands 1613). Of course, as Verhoeven tosses that f word around so much, he may mistake the symbolic nature of the device/artifact and its relationship to a Republic, say the Roman Republic for example. All subtle, but very important points.


With all this said, I very much agree with Conrad about the novel and at least the first movie.

Still, I view Team America as a parody, while SST, a failed hit job that actually made good.

CmacQ

[Kralizec]

I'm sorry, thats the point.

Verhoeven thought he was making an anti-war/anti-american flick, that would discredit the precept of the novel, yet in fact he failed in the worst way, as it is neither anti-war, anti-american, nor did it do harm to the book's standing. And Verhoeven, the guy that made the movie still dosen't get it. On top of this critics that think the same as he, grossly misinterpreted the intent of the Imagery used in the movie, branded him with the f word, and consequently help hurt his career (in part due to the tenets of correct speech). Now, that’s what I bloody well call satirical.


Right,
by the way the USA’s republic is only eight years older than the Kingdom of the Netherlands. The glory days of the Dutch Republic are long gone. Besides the Dutch of that era had their own witches to burn (Roermond Netherlands 1613). Of course, as Verhoeven tosses that f word around so much, he may mistake the symbolic nature of the device/artifact and its relationship to a Republic, say the Roman Republic for example. All subtle, but very important points.


With all this said, I very much agree with Conrad about the novel and at least the first movie.

Still, I view Team America as a parody, while SST, a failed hit job that actually made good.

CmacQ

More like 190 years, actually
Of course by the time that the Americans declared independence, our state had degenerated into a de facto monarchy.

I never cared much for Verhoeven's style. It works for some movies and doesn't for some others.
Never read any of Heinlein's work.

[cmacq]

More like 190 years, actually
Of course by the time that the Americans declared independence, our state had degenerated into a de facto monarchy.

Thanks, I stand corrected. I do know a little about Dutch history, but wasn’t entirely clear on that particular point.


CmacQ

[Lemur]

I'm sorry, but I'm a fan of both the novel and the movie. The novel is the definitive work of military SF, the granddady of the entire genre. The movie, on the other hand, is entirely silly, and in a good way. It's probably the only comedy in history that incorporates a film-long love letter to Leni Riefenstahl. If you can watch the film version and not laugh repeatedly, there's something wrong with your funnybone.

[cmacq]

I think both are great as well, for some of the same reasons.


CmacQ