How to maximise the stability of your 1.1 game

**QuintusSertorius** · 07-21-2008, 19:23

It causes problems in Vista, but it's still bad file management to put anything besides proper applications in Program Files. You should have a separate folder for games, and only install them there. Less chance of messing things up with it separate.

**mcantu** · 07-21-2008, 19:31

i dunno...i always install under Program Files and never had a problem (using Vista w/UAC turned off). i'm pretty sure games are still considered applications...

**Dumbass** · 07-21-2008, 19:55

I don't understand how installing games to program files increases chances of messing things up?

**Ludens** · 07-21-2008, 20:00

Originally Posted by QuintusSertorius

It causes problems in Vista, but it's still bad file management to put anything besides proper applications in Program Files. You should have a separate folder for games, and only install them there. Less chance of messing things up with it separate.

Yes, I have my games installed in a separate folder. That folder is inside program files, because they are programs, and most installers point to program files. If this doesn't affect stability, I suggest you it remove from the list (except for Vista, off course).

**bovi** · 07-22-2008, 07:18

It's easier to say "don't install RTW/EB into Program Files" than explain that yes, you can install and run it under program files, but not if you're using Vista and have UAC on. There is freaking always a follow-up question "Why?" and/or "What is UAC" and/or "How do I turn it off" and/or "Why is it on" and/or "What does UAC do".

For the record: UAC is User Access Control. It is Vista's way of making sure that applications don't store their user data inside Program Files, by rerouting requests from applications (and games) to write files there to instead write to that user's Documents and Settings. This will enhance security so that other users can't see the files stored by you (except the Administrator, of course). It will also screw up RTW, at least when coupled with EB. I do not know how to turn it off as I don't have Vista. It is on by default because Microsoft wants to hold your hand, and also because it's actually a good idea that just doesn't work with EB for some reason.

**LorDBulA** · 07-22-2008, 08:31

it's actually a good idea that just doesn't work with EB for some reason.

It doesn't work with EB because RTW was not designed for Vista (no surprise there since there was no Vista when RTW was made ).

**Tellos Athenaios** · 07-22-2008, 09:18

Typically there ought not to be a problem; problems only arise if the program doesn't "understand" the "new meaning" of the words "Program Files" under Vista. Vista implements the idea you install programs separately from their configuration files, so that there is some basic protection for the program settings. This has been the code of conduct for Linux etc. platforms for many years already; so it's nothing new to get upset over. Point is that it's the job of the OS to keep the configuration files tidied up in a proper location (usually the user's home directory as that allows for per-user settings) and the program is expected to refer to its AppData only (apart from ini files). RTW was designed without the whole concept of "AppData" and fails to adapt to the new rules; meaning that to install & run it in Program Files while this security mechanism is still active means blowing it.

Turning the UAC off permanently before installing RTW may "fix" this but it also involves running other security risks. Because it's not just the only thing UAC does to protect your computer.

**QuintusSertorius** · 07-22-2008, 12:59

In fact it would help a lot if the installer didn't automatically try to point some elements of 1.1 at Program Files by default.

**bovi** · 07-22-2008, 13:15

I thought it put <your RTW path> as default?

**mcantu** · 07-22-2008, 14:07

Originally Posted by QuintusSertorius

In fact it would help a lot if the installer didn't automatically try to point some elements of 1.1 at Program Files by default.

it does this because this is the default directory that RTW installs in...

**Atraphoenix** · 08-17-2008, 09:32

performing alt+tabbing since my campaign started cos I need my screenshots for my AAR .
Fraps misses some screenshot for example battle reports which is very important.

yes I had a CTD to repair by process_cq.

ı havent cancel autosave yet but i will .

What about ctr+s namely "quicksave" advisable or not?

I mostly get CTD in battle screen "a CTD to repair by process_cq." is exception.

I was about to throw my PC out of window when I won a battle that lasted more than 1 hour with 2000 men I had defeated 3200 enemy...

P.S. if you use frasp you shoul see that battle reports and some missing important screenshot are inevitable...

and last thing I killed a heir and also faction leader without killing them both but ı had not get any CTD.