What, no Russia?

[fenir]

Noobs, no such things have been said.


Sheogorath, go drink more vodka, and start screaming like a little girl when CA confirm it.


NO FACTION IS UNPLAYABLE. from pas experiance, it takes no longer than 32 secs, to make a faction playable.

Grow up children, engage brain. CA has said none of this. As usual Sheogorath is on his "every game scream again", same bat time, same bat channel.

Sheogorath .............. Settle Petal.


NOTE: Actually in the time period, Great Britian Actually does have the best of everything. Leads in military technology. Industrial capacity. certianly the Richest nation on earth until 1950.


Sincerely

fenir

[Sheogorath]

Speaking of IG, im off to play it now, and incidently, ive been absoloutely kicking ass as russia. Anihilated the Austrians, and well into north africa and central europe.
IG is really one of those games where you need the patience to turtle early games otherwise youll get no where.
However the one thing i do really like about it as mentioned earlier is the AI and diplomacy - ALLIANCES ARE ACTUALLY KEPT! its strange to think of it! :P

As was said, diplomacy was one of the very few good things about IG.

I'm usually a turtler myself, but it takes waaaaaay to long to get to the 'fun' part of IG for me.

Noobs, no such things have been said.

Noob, read the thread.

Sheogorath, go drink more vodka,

I prefer IBC cream soda. Not much of a drinker, myself.

and start screaming like a little girl when CA confirm it.

Confirm what? ETW has gone gold? I think everybody here with scream with varying degrees of girlishness when that happens.

NO FACTION IS UNPLAYABLE. from pas experiance, it takes no longer than 32 secs, to make a faction playable.

Please do read the topic.

Grow up children, engage brain. CA has said none of this.

I havent said CA has said anything. If you would, carefully, read the topic, I am quite clear that what I am saying is speculation. Perhaps it would be a good idea to reflect on the merits of reading comprehension prior to making personal attacks.

As usual Sheogorath is on his "every game scream again", same bat time, same bat channel.

Drow, drow, drow your canoe
The stream provides flotation
Hysterically, hysterically, hysterically, hysterically
Existence is hallucination.

Sheogorath .............. Settle Petal.

And if I refuse?

NOTE: Actually in the time period, Great Britian Actually does have the best of everything.

Hmmmm, nope.

Leads in military technology.

Nope. Both Spain and France built better and bigger ships than Britain. The Prussians made better guns and the Austrians built the best cannons in Europe. Poland and France had superior cavalry. British strength lay in the sheer size of the Royal Navy.

Industrial capacity

I dont think so, Tim. Most of the great powers had roughly equal 'industrial capacity' until the 1830's/40's when the second industrial revolution got into swing. The British certainly had more advanced textile industries, however. But Prussia, for example, had a far more developed arms industry.

certianly the Richest nation on earth until 1950.

Wrong.
In the early 1800's France had the largest GDP in Europe (based on estimates, of course.), and China had far more money than any European nation until the Opium wars.
The British GDP wasnt the largest in the world unitl the 1870's, and was surpassed by the US shortly after WWI.

[pevergreen]

Keep it civilised gentlmen.

Just be thankful there isnt a Mod here yet.

Fenir, I would seriously consider rereading ever post before you made it, if I was you. I am hoping this once off abusive post is just that. A once off.

[Martok]

Indeed. Even if you can't be friendly, you still need to at least be polite. Calling people "noobs" & "children" and telling them to grow up is not polite or gentlemanly behavior. But I digress.


As to whether or not Russia will be playable, I hope they will be. As others have pointed out, the Russians were becoming a major power during that period, and were dominated by notable personages such as Peter and Catherine the Great.

Yes, I realize that this is no guarantee that CA will actually include the Russian Empire as a playable faction, but I remain (cautiously) optimistic.

[Sheogorath]

Keep it civilised gentlmen.

Just be thankful there isnt a Mod here yet.

Fenir, I would seriously consider rereading ever post before you made it, if I was you. I am hoping this once off abusive post is just that. A once off.

Its a common theme. I'm a bit of a russophile, he's an anglophile. We've had some lovely debates in the past, as you might've guessed :P

EDIT:
Curses! I'll get you Martok!

My main concern, at this point, is mostly that Russia will get be done in such a half-assed way that it wont be worth bothering.

[Jolt]

NOTE: Actually in the time period, Great Britian Actually does have the best of everything. Leads in military technology. Industrial capacity. certianly the Richest nation on earth until 1950.


Sincerely

fenir

History class. Go.

The "leading nation in military/industry/wealth" managed to lose to a backward colony, with the help of some highly debted France.

In the Napoleonic Wars, Britain had to scout around Europe and had to count on the partizan and resistence movements in Portugal & Spain, to slow down the French, as well as on French Eastern front to actually begin doing any kind of damage. If France wasn't busy with Russia, Austria & co. I doubt they'd be able to achieve anything. France not only far surpassed Britain in population and agricultural output (necessary to maintaining an army) but also had indeed the most powerful army by that time.

That period was followed by some decades of British hegemony, which came to an end as the German unified and industrialized. This happened because much of the British Industry was obsolete with new inventions, and lead to a much greater improvement in productivity, not by Germany by also by the USA.

Then in World War 1, the "leading nation in military/industry/wealth" couldn't manage,a long with it's French allies, to steadfastly win a war against a European country, who even fought on both the East and the West. It even had to ration food. Once again, I don't see where the great advances military technology is, nor where it's great industral capacity is.

After the said war was over, Great Britain had lost a very great deal of the market shares it had in a plethora of different areas, and had to borrow much money from America to rebuild back it's war-focused economy, becoming much more dependent on other economies.

Interbellum and the Great Depression showed exactly the dependency Great Britain had on the World economy as it was one of the winning major powers to be hit hard in unemployment and lack of purchasing power (The so-called wealth).

World War II came once again to show the superior military might of the United Kingdom, with the inability to protect it's main ally, and then to be kept afloat thanks to great American help. Germans would also fall to an Eastern front, as well as the might of the USA once again.

In the last 5 years of your deadline. I'm not really sure how you can even say that the UK is the richest nation by that time.

[CBR]

The GNP statistics I know of show UK to surpass France in the 1830's or so, USA became the largest Western economy in 1870-80's and Germany the largest European economy just before the start of WW1. UK had the highest GNP per capita until early 1900's when USA became the leader.


CBR

[fenir]

Sheogorath,

If you can't recognise tongue in cheeky by now, what am i to do with you.


As for all this other bullocks.

Jolt you have no idea.

GDP, time you looked more closely, france included it's colonies, britian didn't....

I had a whole post up, but i can't be bothered.

Sincerely

fenir

[Sheogorath]

Tongue in cheek, gotcha ;)

[Fenir doesnt feel like it tonight. Oh well :(]

EDIT:
Or perhaps not. Ah, well.

[Jolt]

Sheogorath,

If you can't recognise tongue in cheeky by now, what am i to do with you.


As for all this other bullocks.

Jolt you have no idea.

GDP, time you looked more closely, france included it's colonies, britian didn't....

I had a whole post up, but i can't be bothered.

Sincerely

fenir

I'd honestly love to see your post. Even more, I'd love to see how Britain is the world richest nation while it was rationing it's own food products.

[Sheogorath]

I'd honestly love to see your post. Even more, I'd love to see how Britain is the world richest nation while it was rationing it's own food products.

It was quite hilarious.

But, anyway, since the original topic has been exhausted...

It should be interesting to see the various minor factions and, once they're unlocked, whether or not they have some interesting units to go with them. From the map in the other thread, it looks like Persia will be out there (if I remember, the Qajar were one of those crazily rich nations for a while), as well as various native american nations.
Makes me wonder if the Barbary States will be a separate entity from the Ottomans. That'd be a fun little minor faction to do.

[Martok]

Makes me wonder if the Barbary States will be a separate entity from the Ottomans. That'd be a fun little minor faction to do.

I'd say it's definitely possible they'll be in the game (although I'm sure they won't be playable). From what little I was able to make out looking at the fuzzy photograph of that map (the one I linked to in that other thread), it appeared as if there was a faction (separate from the Ottomans) along the North African coastline.

Of course as CA has pointed out, that was a very early iteration of the map, so who knows what's changed since then.