Monglos and Timurids

**yogol** · 07-25-2008, 16:59

Originally Posted by Eikon the Magistrate

A suggestion Yogol for the Timurids is to make small anti-elephant stacks and engage them offensively, no particular need for generals, the point of these small forces is to attack and kill elephants.

Hmmm... With javelins ? Gunners ? Cannons ? I'll see how to do that. I never got this far in the game, I always win my long campaigns before these Timurids show up, but this time I turtled, just to see what they are like, hehe.

I've been training those few camel untis that you can hire around Baghdad, but something tells me those 5 units won't kill alot of elephants, even with their golden stripes, hehe.

**TheLastPrivate** · 07-27-2008, 10:50

Originally Posted by yogol

Hmmm... With javelins ? Gunners ? Cannons ? I'll see how to do that. I never got this far in the game, I always win my long campaigns before these Timurids show up, but this time I turtled, just to see what they are like, hehe.

I've been training those few camel untis that you can hire around Baghdad, but something tells me those 5 units won't kill alot of elephants, even with their golden stripes, hehe.

Siege weapons with flaming ammo + javelin cavalry.

The idea is to have a vanguard unit that draws fire, while javelin cavalry take out elephanzers.

P.S. Run-amok elephants do more dmg to them than your loss of stack..

**Old Geezer** · 07-29-2008, 13:34

I am having problems getting the Mongols to attack. I have built forts at choke points and river crossings around Antioch and filled them with low grade units. The Mongols have been wandering back and forth for about 50 years and finally attacked one of the forts. They won! Well, they took the fort but lost 3 generals and over 1275 of their best troops and I lost 1203 low level men and 1 mortar. (It looked like a fireworks display over the fort's center as the thousands of flaming Mongol arrows descended upon my vailant Scots.) The next turn I attacked the 350 men that they had left in the fort with no reinforcements because the rest of the horde wandered back over to Edessa to besiege another fort. The Mongols lost all their men and I lost about 150 (I used a culverin and mortar to pound them and had some heavy pike militia with single chevrons, a few feudal knights, and a general.) The Portugese were much more difficult; I had to use top qualtity units to defeat them.

**TheLastPrivate** · 07-30-2008, 10:54

It seems well-armored archer/xbow is the key to beating them on even ground, especially with the cavalry nerfs it's very doable.

**Old Geezer** · 07-30-2008, 13:11

I have rented as many pavaise xbows but they are all in central Europe and I hope I can get them over to have a field battle against the Mongols before they self destruct. I had the Mongols attack a second fort and they did better; I had 5 or 6 spear militia so my Scots lost 1150 men to the Mongols 800 and one general. Not a bad trade. The Scots lost a little finger, the Mongols lost a big toe. I had 2 mortars which did not seem to be very effective at counterbattery so I switched to firing on the Mongol archers which wasn't noticeable effective. The Mongols have too many archers and can fire all over the inside of the fort. They just rain fire arrows all over my poor mortar crews.