Results 1 to 15 of 15

Thread: I need to give the guys at EB credit

  1. #1
    Pharaoh Member Majd il-Romani's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Alexandria, Egypt
    Posts
    214

    Default I need to give the guys at EB credit

    for a mod well done. No, I am not trying to flatter you guys so I can become a member (though that would be nice) but I just want to say that all the work you have put into this pays off in the quality of the mod. From the biggest differences like factions, bigger map, unit differences, to the smallest thing (I even noticed that the post-marian legionaires stab and thrust with their gladii and never slash, like they were trained to) I just have to say that you guys did great. Will I get EB2? Hell yes!

    That being said, I do have some questions and comments.

    first, why do the stone projectors look like ballistae and not onagers/catapults. I mean even the 1 talent stone projectors look just like ballistae, they are not even bigger!

    second, out of curiousity, are the Getai supposed to be the Thracians or Dacians?

    lastly, do you think you could have made the Polybian reforms just a tad bit earlier? I know that it would be ahistorical, but the Polybian reforms came from Roman experiences fighting Celts, Greeks, and Carthaginians, right? Well, you could have, instead of the "wait until 242 BC and hold these cities" OR "wait until 210 BC", you could instead have: "wait until 242 BC and hold these cities" OR "hold 2 cities in Iberia, 2 in greece/balkans, and 2 in Gaul" or something around those lines.
    "An army of Sheep led by a Lion will always defeat an army of Lions led by a Sheep"
    -Arabic Military Maxim
    "War doesn't decide who is right, only who is left."
    "In order to test a man's strength of character, do not give him adversity, for any man can handle adversity, but instead give him POWER.
    -Abraham Lincoln
    "A man once asked me who my grandfather was. I told him I didn't know who he was, and didn't care. I cared more about who his grandson will be."
    -Abraham Lincoln

  2. #2
    Guitar God Member Mediolanicus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    On the banks of the Scaldis.
    Posts
    1,355

    Default Re: I need to give the guys at EB credit

    The catapult design was introduced during the Roman Empire. EB covers the second half of the republic and the first few decennia of the empire, so there are only the historical ballistae.

    "Getae" is an ancient Greek name given to some of the Dacian and Tracian tribes, but mostly for Dacians.

    If the Polybian reforms came earlier still, what would be the use of putting Camillian troops into the game?
    Triggers for the reforms are easily modified btw, just take a look in the mini-mod section of the forum.
    __________________

    --> - Never near Argos - <--

  3. #3
    Member Member Havok.'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Minas Gerais! \m/
    Posts
    530

    Default Re: I need to give the guys at EB credit

    Quote Originally Posted by Majd il-Romani View Post
    No, I am not trying to flatter you guys so I can become a member (though that would be nice)
    Ser mineiro é, antes de tudo, um estado de espírito.

    El bien perdido


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwfhJy6JwPg
    A don Jose! Oriental en la vida e en la muerte tambien!

  4. #4
    Arrogant Ashigaru Moderator Ludens's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Posts
    9,063
    Blog Entries
    1

    Lightbulb Re: I need to give the guys at EB credit

    1) Like Mediolanicus says, catapults were only introduced during the Roman empire. However, the ballistas used by the Greeks were far bigger than the current models. Unfortunately, the models for siege engines were never made (well, there is one old screenshot, but it's completely wacked out) and now the team has moved to M2:TW, there is little chance we'll ever see realistic models.

    2) I don't think there is a clear-cut distinction. Getai was the Greek name for Dacians, but the Dacian kingdom seems to have been centred around the province to the north of the Getai. I guess one can make a case for both.

    3) Actually, that's the reasoning behind the current requirements. You see, northern Italy was at this point inhabited by Gauls, while the conquest of Sicily would have brought the Romans up against the Carthaginians and their Iberian mercenaries. Off course, they had already encountered Greeks during their wars with Epiros and the capture of Capua, Tarentum and Rhegium.
    Looking for a good read? Visit the Library!

  5. #5
    VOXIFEX MAXIMVS Member Shigawire's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Norway, Br?nn?ysund
    Posts
    2,059

    Default Re: I need to give the guys at EB credit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ludens View Post
    1) Like Mediolanicus says, catapults were only introduced during the Roman empire. However, the ballistas used by the Greeks were far bigger than the current models.
    Yep. Onagers belong to the era from 200-400 AD (the Onager was first mentioned in 367 by Ammianus).
    In the EB era, "stone projectors" are correct to use. And indeed, our models in the game don't currently reflect the true range of sizes in stone projectors.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ludens View Post
    Unfortunately, the models for siege engines were never made (well, there is one old screenshot, but it's completely wacked out) and now the team has moved to M2:TW, there is little chance we'll ever see realistic models.
    I wouldn't be so sure about that
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 


    Not made by an EB-member though.
    Last edited by Shigawire; 07-20-2008 at 16:24.


    "To know a thing well, know its limits. Only when pushed beyond its tolerances will its true nature be seen." -The Amtal Rule, DUNE

  6. #6

    Default Re: I need to give the guys at EB credit

    Quote Originally Posted by Shigawire View Post
    I wouldn't be so sure about that
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 


    Not made by an EB-member though.
    Wow!! I hope that will be included in EB2. Then no one will complain about siege weapons high cost or its ineffectiveness! Just look at the size of it......
    Last edited by chenkai11; 07-21-2008 at 10:51.
    - REVENGE!!!
    - A NEW DYNASTY!!!

    - a very generous bribe from Yarema


  7. #7
    EBII Hod Carrier Member QuintusSertorius's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    23,499

    Default Re: I need to give the guys at EB credit

    I've been playing another mod recently, and it makes me realise just how much work has gone into EB.

    Unfortunately some of the difficulties I've been having with the engine also demonstrate the limits of what can be done with RTW.

    What does being a Member mean? I only just realised I was one.
    It began on seven hills - an EB 1.1 Romani AAR with historical house-rules (now ceased)
    Heirs to Lysimachos - an EB 1.1 Epeiros-as-Pergamon AAR with semi-historical houserules (now ceased)
    Philetairos' Gift - a second EB 1.1 Epeiros-as-Pergamon AAR


  8. #8

    Default Re: I need to give the guys at EB credit

    Being a member of the ORG grants you stuff. Don't recall what, though.
    - Tellos Athenaios
    CUF tool - XIDX - PACK tool - SD tool - EVT tool - EB Install Guide - How to track down loading CTD's - EB 1.1 Maps thread


    ὁ δ᾽ ἠλίθιος ὣσπερ πρόβατον βῆ βῆ λέγων βαδίζει” – Kratinos in Dionysalexandros.

  9. #9
    Arrogant Ashigaru Moderator Ludens's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Posts
    9,063
    Blog Entries
    1

    Lightbulb Re: I need to give the guys at EB credit

    Quote Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios View Post
    Being a member of the ORG grants you stuff. Don't recall what, though.
    Access to the miscellaneous fora, as well as less flood control and greater PM storage. The junior member rank was implemented to deter spammers and keep the more politically and historically oriented forums out of reach.
    Looking for a good read? Visit the Library!

  10. #10
    Biotechnlogy Student Member ||Lz3||'s Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Mexico
    Posts
    1,669

    Default Re: I need to give the guys at EB credit

    where's the misc forum? never heard of that before hehe
    Spoken languages:

    Mini-mod pack for EB 1.2 for Alexander and RTW
    (just download it and apply to get tons of changes!) last update: 18/12/08 here
    ALEXANDER EB promoter

  11. #11
    Arrogant Ashigaru Moderator Ludens's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Posts
    9,063
    Blog Entries
    1

    Lightbulb Re: I need to give the guys at EB credit

    Miscellaneous fora. You can find them here.
    Looking for a good read? Visit the Library!

  12. #12
    Pharaoh Member Majd il-Romani's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Alexandria, Egypt
    Posts
    214

    Default Re: I need to give the guys at EB credit

    one more question, when does EB2 come out?
    "An army of Sheep led by a Lion will always defeat an army of Lions led by a Sheep"
    -Arabic Military Maxim
    "War doesn't decide who is right, only who is left."
    "In order to test a man's strength of character, do not give him adversity, for any man can handle adversity, but instead give him POWER.
    -Abraham Lincoln
    "A man once asked me who my grandfather was. I told him I didn't know who he was, and didn't care. I cared more about who his grandson will be."
    -Abraham Lincoln

  13. #13
    Member Member Hax's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    The Netherlands
    Posts
    5,352

    Default Re: I need to give the guys at EB credit

    Unknown at this moment.
    This space intentionally left blank.

  14. #14
    Just your average Senior Member Warmaster Horus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Location
    Besancon, France: a stepping stone to greatness. I hope.
    Posts
    2,940

    Default Re: I need to give the guys at EB credit

    When it's done. Although, by EB team standards, that means anything and everything.
    The Throne Room: "Less a forum, more a way of life." Econ21
    Don't hesitate to visit the Mead Hall! A little more reading, a little less shouting, please.
    Join the latest greatest installement of mafia games: Capo di Tutti Capi!
    Check out the Gahzette!
    By the by, are you interested in helping out the Gahzette? Think you could be a writer, reporting on the TW or Org community? Then check the Gahzette Thread or drop me a PM!


    Back.

  15. #15

    Default Re: I need to give the guys at EB credit

    Quote Originally Posted by Ludens View Post
    Access to the miscellaneous fora, as well as less flood control and greater PM storage. The junior member rank was implemented to deter spammers and keep the more politically and historically oriented forums out of reach.
    And how do you become a member?

    Edit: Actually, I might post this in the FAQ.
    Last edited by Che Roriniho; 07-24-2008 at 09:44.

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO