View Poll Results: Please vote Yes or No to the following laws:

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  • Edict 3.1 - Yes

    10 41.67%
  • Edict 3.1 - No

    9 37.50%
  • Edict 3.2 - Yes

    16 66.67%
  • Edict 3.2 - No

    6 25.00%
  • Edict 3.3 - Yes

    12 50.00%
  • Edict 3.3 - No

    11 45.83%
  • Edict 3.4 - Yes

    15 62.50%
  • Edict 3.4 - No

    8 33.33%
  • Edict 3.5 - Yes

    12 50.00%
  • Edict 3.5 - No

    11 45.83%
  • Charter Amendment 3.1 - Yes

    20 83.33%
  • Charter Amendment 3.1 - No

    2 8.33%
  • Charter Amendment 3.2 - Yes

    22 91.67%
  • Charter Amendment 3.2 - No

    1 4.17%
  • Charter Amendment 3.3 - Yes

    20 83.33%
  • Charter Amendment 3.3 - No

    2 8.33%
  • Charter Amendment 3.5 - Yes

    17 70.83%
  • Charter Amendment 3.5 - No

    2 8.33%
  • Charter Amendment 3.7 - Yes

    7 29.17%
  • Charter Amendment 3.7 - No

    12 50.00%
  • Charter Amendment 3.8 - Yes

    15 62.50%
  • Charter Amendment 3.8 - No

    5 20.83%
  • Charter Amendment 3.9 - Yes

    18 75.00%
  • Charter Amendment 3.9 - No

    3 12.50%
  • I abstain on all laws.

    0 0%
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    Default Third Senate - Legislation Voting

    This poll is only for players of the Last of the Romans.

    Voting will be open for 48 hours, until 9am EST on Tuesday, July 22nd.

    Please note: If you wish to abstain on a vote, do not vote either yes or no for it.


    The full text of the proposals is as follows:

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    Edict 3.1: War is to be declared on the Fatamid Caliphate, and a Crusade on Cairo is to be assembled and launched, as per the Patriarchal Proclamation.

    Proposed: Armatos ek Naksou
    Seconded: Makedonios Ksanthopoulos, Efstathios Laskaris

    Edict 3.2: No settlement can be exterminated. No Orthodox settlement can be sacked though sacking of Catholic or Muslim-held settlement is authorized. Crusade targets must be occupied.

    Proposed: Makedonios Ksanthopoulos
    Seconded: Stavrar ek Amarinthou, Kosmas Mavrozomis

    Edict 3.3: Zagreb and Iasi will be added to the Empire. Once captured, they will be properly garrisoned.

    Proposed: Methodios Tagaris
    Seconded: Makedonios Ksanthopoulos, Stavrar ek Amarinthou

    Edict 3.4: The Megas Logothetes must keep at least one priest stationed in every region that has less than 60% Orthodox and where a church is built.

    Proposed: Efstathios Laskaris
    Seconded: Kosmas Mavrozomis, Makedonios Ksanthopoulos

    Edict 3.5: 4 priests shall be sent to Egypt, two to Alexandria, two to Cairo, as fast as possible preferably ahead of all crusading forces.

    Proposed: Hypatios Machonios
    Seconded: Kosmas Mavrozomis, Efstathios Laskaris

    Charter Amendment 3.1: The two offices of Lord High Chancellor and Lord High Steward, as well as the Privy Seal, can be assigned by the Basileus to any non-family member. Only one of them may be assigned to each general, and each confers a +1 influence in Senate voting. If the Basileus chooses to keep them himself, there is no influence bonus.

    Proposed: Ioannis Komnenos
    Seconded: Savvas ek Militou, Apionnas Vringas

    Charter Amendment 3.2: The following will be added to the Charter:

    1.6 - Game Balancing: The following traits may be removed with the console at any time at the request of any player who's avatar has them: Unwatched by the King, Unleashed Ambition. The following traits may be removed with the console at the request of any player who's avatar has them, if they were gained as the result of movement of 'title' retinues in accordance with Rule 2.3: Title stolen!, Seethes for revenge!.
    Proposed: Protoasecretes
    Seconded: Makedonios Ksanthopoulos, Stavrar ek Amarinthou

    Charter Amendment 3.3: The title of Section 3 will be changed from Senate to Government. The following rule will be added:

    3.9 - University: The following traits may be altered by the Dean and the Scholars, but only to levels which are listed herein. Levels which are omitted from this list cannot be gained or lost through the University:

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Trait GoodAdministrator
    Level Budding_Bureaucrat
    Effect Trading 3
    Effect Law 1

    Level Skilled_Bureaucrat
    Effect Trading 5
    Effect Law 2

    Level Superb_Administrator
    Effect Trading 10
    Effect Law 3

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait BadAdministrator
    Level Poor_Administrator
    Effect Trading -3

    Level Inefficient_Administrator
    Effect Trading -5

    Level Total_Incompetence
    Effect Trading -10

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait InspiringSpeaker
    Level Can_Tell_a_Tale
    Effect Law 1

    Level Great_Speaker
    Effect Law 1

    Level Inspirational_Speaker
    Effect Law 2

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait BoringSpeaker
    Level Poor_Speaker
    Effect Law -1

    Level Awkward_Speaker
    Effect Law -1
    Effect TroopMorale -1

    Level Incredibly_Boring
    Effect Law -2
    Effect TroopMorale -2
    Effect Command -1

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait AcademyTrained
    Level Academy_Trained
    Effect Command 1

    Level Officer_Training
    Effect Command 2

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait ForcedReligious
    Level Conforming
    Effect Piety 1

    Level Reverant
    Effect Piety 2

    Level Godfearing
    Effect Piety 3
    Effect TroopMorale -1

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait Superstitious
    Level Silly_Beliefs
    Effect Piety -1

    Level Superstitious
    Effect Piety -1
    Effect TroopMorale -1

    Level Slave_to_Superstition
    Effect Piety -2
    Effect Authority -1
    Effect TroopMorale -2

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait Pragmatic
    Level Mostly_Rational
    Effect Authority 1

    Level No_Nonsense
    Effect Authority 2
    Effect TroopMorale 1

    Level Utterly_Pragmatic
    Effect Authority 3
    Effect TroopMorale 2

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait GoodTaxman
    Level Good_with_Taxes
    Effect TaxCollection 10

    Level Thorough_Taxman
    Effect TaxCollection 20
    Effect Unrest 1

    Level Cruelly_Exacting_Taxman
    Effect TaxCollection 30
    Effect Unrest 2

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait BadTaxman
    Level Poor_with_Taxes
    Effect TaxCollection -5

    Level Sloppy_Taxman
    Effect TaxCollection -10

    Level Tax_Farmer
    Effect TaxCollection -15

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait Scout
    Level Adopts_Scouting
    Effect LineOfSight 1

    Level Adept_Scout
    Effect LineOfSight 2

    Level Reconnaissance_Expert
    Effect LineOfSight 3

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait GoodFarmer
    Level Farming_Knowledge
    Effect Farming 1

    Level Rural_Expert
    Effect Farming 2

    Level Agriculturalist
    Effect Farming 3

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait GoodMiner
    Level Mining_Knowledge
    Effect Mining 10

    Level Mining_Expert
    Effect Mining 20

    Level Geologist
    Effect Mining 30

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait GoodEngineer
    Level Admires_Technology
    Effect SiegeEngineering 20

    Level Mechanically_Minded
    Effect SiegeAttack 1
    Effect SiegeEngineering 40

    Level Engineer
    Effect SiegeAttack 2
    Effect SiegeEngineering 60

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait BadEngineer
    Level Questions_Technology
    Effect SiegeAttack -1

    Level Befuddled_by_Machines
    Effect SiegeAttack -2

    Level Distrusts_Evil_Machinery!
    Effect SiegeAttack -3

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait GoodTrader
    Level Understands_Trade
    Effect Trading 10

    Level Trader
    Effect Trading 20

    Level Master_Trader
    Effect Trading 30

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait BadTrader
    Level Fiscally_Challenged
    Effect Trading -10

    Level Incompetent_Trader
    Effect Trading -20

    Level Trading_Liability
    Effect Trading -30

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait Just
    Level A_Sense_of_Justice
    Effect Chivalry 1
    Effect Law 1

    Level Just
    Effect Chivalry 2
    Effect Law 2

    Level Serves_Justice
    Effect Chivalry 3
    Effect Law 3

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait Unjust
    Level Swift_to_Judge
    Effect Unrest 1

    Level Lacks_Justice
    Effect Chivalry -1
    Effect Unrest 2

    Level Unjust
    Effect Chivalry -3
    Effect Unrest 3

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait HarshJustice
    Level Hard_Justice
    Effect Unrest 1
    Effect Law 2

    Level Harsh_Justice
    Effect Unrest 2
    Effect Law 4

    Level Severe_Justice
    Effect Chivalry -1
    Effect Unrest 3
    Effect Law 6

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait LenientJustice
    Level Soft_Judge
    Effect Chivalry 1
    Effect Law -1

    Level Merciful_Judge
    Effect Chivalry 2
    Effect Law -2

    Level Kind_Judge
    Effect Chivalry 1
    Effect Law -3

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait HarshRuler
    Level Iron_Fisted
    Effect Chivalry -1
    Effect Law 1

    Level Harsh_Ruler
    Effect Chivalry -2
    Effect PersonalSecurity -1
    Effect Squalor 1
    Effect Law 2

    Level Cruel_Ruler
    Effect Chivalry -3
    Effect PersonalSecurity -2
    Effect Squalor 2
    Effect Law 3

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait KindRuler

    Level Reasonable_Ruler
    Effect Chivalry 1
    Effect Squalor -1

    Level Kind_Ruler
    Effect Chivalry 2
    Effect Squalor -2

    Level Benevolent_Ruler
    Effect Chivalry 3
    Effect Squalor -3

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait GoodBuilder
    Level Active_Builder
    Effect Construction 5
    Effect Squalor -1

    Level Urban_Planner
    Effect Construction 10
    Effect Squalor -2

    Level Great_Builder
    Effect Construction 15
    Effect Squalor -3

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait BadBuilder
    Level Not_Constructive
    Effect Construction -5
    Effect Squalor 1

    Level Sloppy_Builder
    Effect Construction -10
    Effect Squalor 2

    Level Abhors_Construction
    Effect Construction -15
    Effect Squalor 3

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait Authoritarian

    Level Firm_Ruler
    Effect Unrest 1
    Effect Law 2

    Level Strict_Ruler
    Effect Authority 1
    Effect Unrest 2
    Effect Law 4

    Level Total_Authoritarian
    Effect Authority 2
    Effect Unrest 3
    Effect Law 6

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait NonAuthoritarian
    Level Fair_Ruler
    Effect Unrest -2
    Effect Law -1

    Level Understanding_Ruler
    Effect Authority -1
    Effect Unrest -4
    Effect Law -2

    Level Liberal_Leader
    Effect Authority -2
    Effect Unrest -6
    Effect Law -3

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait Cultured

    Level Cultured
    Effect LocalPopularity 1

    Level Very_Cultured
    Effect Authority 1
    Effect LocalPopularity 2

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait Ignorance

    Level Ignorant
    Effect Authority -1
    Effect Trading -2
    Effect TaxCollection -2

    Level Sadly_Ignorant
    Effect Authority -1
    Effect Trading -5
    Effect TaxCollection -5

    Level Blissfully_Ignorant
    Effect Authority -2
    Effect Trading -10
    Effect TaxCollection -10

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait Clergy_Edu

    Level Novice
    Effect Piety 1

    Level Ordination
    Effect Piety 2
    Effect Loyalty -1
    Effect TroopMorale 1
    Effect Law 1

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait Castle_Edu

    Level Squire
    Effect MovementPoints 10

    Level Knighted
    Effect Command 1
    Effect Loyalty 1
    Effect MovementPoints 10
    Effect Chivalry 1

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait Cap_Edu

    Level Paige
    Effect Law 1

    Level Enobled
    Effect Law 2
    Effect Authority 1
    Effect TaxCollection 5

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait RhetoricSkill

    Level Well_Spoken
    Effect Authority 1

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait StrategicSkill

    Level Promising_Strategist
    Effect Command 1

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait TacticalSkill

    Level Promising_Tactician
    Effect Ambush 2
    Effect LineOfSight 1

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait MathematicsSkill

    Level Talent_with_Numbers
    Effect SiegeEngineering 10
    Effect Trading 5

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait PoliticsSkill

    Level Political_Promise
    Effect Authority 1

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait LogisticalSkill

    Level Understands_Logistics
    Effect TroopMorale 1
    Effect MovementPoints 1

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trait HorseRacer

    Level Good_Racer
    Effect MovementPoints 1
    The following ranks will be added to the Charter:

    Dean:
    Requirements: Must have been appointed by the Basileus
    Powers:
    (1) This rank is always held at the same time as other feudal ranks.
    (2) During normal Senate sessions, can bestow on or remove from any Senator the rank of Scholar, as long as there are never more than 5 Scholars at any one time.
    (3) Twice per full Megas term, can alter or add any trait listed in Rule 3.9 to his own avatar. Traits that are added must be given at the lowest level. Traits that are altered can only move one level at a time.

    Scholar:
    Requirements: Must have been appointed by the Dean
    Powers:
    (1) This rank is always held at the same time as other feudal ranks.
    (2) Once per full Megas term, can alter or add any trait listed in Rule 3.9 to his own avatar. Traits that are added must be given at the lowest level. Traits that are altered can only move one level at a time.
    The following power will be added to the Basileus:
    (18) During normal Senate sessions, can bestow on or remove from any Senator the rank of Dean, as long as there is never more than 1 Dean at any one time.
    Proposed: Protoasecretes
    Seconded: Makedonios Ksanthopoulos, Stavrar ek Amarinthou

    Charter Amendment 3.5: If Charter Amendment 3.3 passes, the following penalty will be added to the Caesar: (1) Cannot hold the rank of Dean.

    Proposed: Protoasecretes
    Seconded: Makedonios Ksanthopoulos, Iakovos ek Kallipoleos

    Charter Amendment 3.7: If Charter Amendment 3.3 passes, the following penalty will be added to the Caesar: (1) Cannot gain or alter more than 2 traits through the University.

    Proposed: Protoasecretes
    Seconded: Methodios Tagaris, Makedonios Ksanthopoulos

    Charter Amendment 3.8: If Charter Amendment 3.3 passes, the word "Senator" will be changed to "player" in Basileus' power (18).

    Proposed: Kosmas Mavrozomis
    Seconded: Makedonios Ksanthopoulos, Iakovos ek Kallipoleos

    Charter Amendment 3.9: If CA 3.1 passes it will be amended as follows:

    The two offices of Lord High Chancellor and Lord High Steward, as well as the Privy Seal, can be assigned by the Basileus to any Senator. Only one of them may be assigned to each general, and each confers a +1 influence in Senate voting if rank permits. If the Basileus chooses to keep them himself, there is no influence bonus.
    Rule 3.5 is reworded as such:

    3.5 – Influence: Each Senator’s voting power is equivalent to his total Influence, as defined by Rule 2.7. No Senator’s Influence may ever be lower than 1. For the purposes of determining Stat Influence, a Senator can gain 1 point of Stat Influence for each of the following conditions that he meets: (a) 5+ ranks of Command (b) 10 ranks of Command (c) 5+ ranks of Chivalry or Dread (d) 10 ranks of Chivalry or Dread (e) 10 ranks of Loyalty (f) 8+ ranks of Piety (g) 20+ total stat points (h) 30+ total stat points (i) 40 total stat points (j) Senator’s name is modified by a trait title that bestows more negative than positive stat points (i.e. the Mad) (k) Senator is married to a Byzantine Empire Princess (l) Senator possesses the title of Lord High Chancellor, Lord High Steward, or Privy Seal.
    Proposed: Ioannis Kalameteros
    Seconded: Iakovos ek Kallipoleos, Methodios Tagaris


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    Default Re: Third Senate - Legislation Voting

    Everyone keeping track of the votes should probably disregard anelious phyros in the polls.

    Why did he vote anyways?


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    Default Re: Third Senate - Legislation Voting

    Well .. Apparently I voted No to Edict 3.1 but it should be Yes..

    Don't know how that happened

    So I would be happy if counting the votes it would be counted as Yes

    I noticed that anelious phyros has voted too..

    I think it is clearly said that this poll is for the LotR players only!!

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    Default Re: Third Senate - Legislation Voting

    Voting will be extended until around 5pm EST today, simply because I'm not going to be around to close it at 9am. Apologies for the delay, but there may be a few more throughout the rest of this week due to my travels. Please also forgive me if I haven't responded to a PM. I have read them all, but do not have time to answer any at the moment.


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    Default Re: Third Senate - Legislation Voting

    Ituralde, for those of us keeping track of the voting, did you mean to vote 'yes', 'no', or 'abstain' on CA 3.8?


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    Default Re: Third Senate - Legislation Voting

    Players with influence greater than 1 are noted in parentheses. Some vote were submited by PM.

    Edict 3.1 - Yes
    00jebus, Andres, BananaBob, Cecil XIX, Ibn-Khaldun, Privateerkev, Ramses II CP, Rowan, woad&fangs, YourLordandConqueror, Knights_of_Palma, deguerra (2), GeneralHankerchief
    Edict 3.1 - No
    AussieGiant, Elite Ferret, Ignoramus (3), Kagemusha, Northnovas, OverKnight (3), pevergreen, rossahh, TheFlax

    14 to 13
    Edict 3.1 passes

    Edict 3.2 - Yes
    Andres, AussieGiant, BananaBob, Cecil XIX (2), FLYdude (2), Ibn-Khaldun, Ituralde, OverKnight (3), Privateerkev, Ramses II CP, Rowan, TheFlax, Tristan de Castelreng, woad&fangs, YourLordandConqueror, Zim, Knights_of_Palma, deguerra (2)
    Edict 3.2 - No
    00jebus, Elite Ferret, Ignoramus (3), Kagemusha, pevergreen, rossahh, GeneralHankerchief

    23 to 9
    Edict 3.2 passes

    Edict 3.3 - Yes
    00jebus, Andres, BananaBob, Cecil XIX (2), Kagemusha, pevergreen, Privateerkev, Ramses II CP, Rowan, Tristan de Castelreng, woad&fangs, YourLordandConqueror, Knights_of_Palma, deguerra (2)
    Edict 3.3 - No
    AussieGiant, Elite Ferret, FLYdude (2), Ibn-Khaldun, Ignoramus (3), Ituralde, Northnovas, OverKnight (3), rossahh, TheFlax, Zim, GeneralHankerchief

    16 to 17
    Edict 3.3 fails.

    Edict 3.4 - Yes
    00jebus, BananaBob, Cecil XIX (2), Elite Ferret, FLYdude (2), Ibn-Khaldun, Kagemusha, Northnovas, Privateerkev, Ramses II CP, rossahh, Rowan, woad&fangs, YourLordandConqueror, Zim, Knights_of_Palma, deguerra (2)
    Edict 3.4 - No
    Andres, AussieGiant, Ignoramus (3), Ituralde, OverKnight (3), pevergreen, TheFlax, Tristan de Castelreng

    20 to 12
    Edict 3.4 passes.

    Edict 3.5 - Yes
    00jebus, Andres, BananaBob, Cecil XIX (2), Elite Ferret, Ibn-Khaldun, Privateerkev, Ramses II CP, Rowan, woad&fangs, YourLordandConqueror, Zim, Knights_of_Palma
    Edict 3.5 - No
    AussieGiant, Ignoramus (3), Ituralde, Kagemusha, Northnovas, OverKnight (3), pevergreen, rossahh, TheFlax, Tristan de Castelreng

    14 to 14
    Edict 3.5 fails (Rule 3.3)

    Charter Amendment 3.1 - Yes
    00jebus, Andres, AussieGiant, BananaBob, Cecil XIX (2), Elite Ferret, FLYdude (2), Ignoramus (3), Kagemusha, Northnovas, OverKnight (3), pevergreen, Privateerkev, Ramses II CP, rossahh, Rowan, TheFlax, YourLordandConqueror, Zim, Knights_of_Palma, deguerra (2), GeneralHankerchief
    Charter Amendment 3.1 - No
    Ibn-Khaldun, woad&fangs

    CA 3.1 passes.

    Charter Amendment 3.2 - Yes
    00jebus, Andres, AussieGiant, BananaBob, Cecil XIX (2), Elite Ferret, FLYdude (2), Ibn-Khaldun, Ignoramus (3), Ituralde, Northnovas, OverKnight (3), pevergreen, Privateerkev, Ramses II CP, rossahh, Rowan, TheFlax, Tristan de Castelreng, woad&fangs, YourLordandConqueror, Zim, Knights_of_Palma, deguerra (2), GeneralHankerchief
    Charter Amendment 3.2 - No
    Kagemusha

    CA 3.2 passes.

    Charter Amendment 3.3 - Yes
    00jebus, AussieGiant, BananaBob, Cecil XIX (2), Elite Ferret, Ibn-Khaldun, Ignoramus (3), Ituralde, Northnovas, OverKnight (3), pevergreen, Privateerkev, Ramses II CP, rossahh, Rowan, TheFlax, Tristan de Castelreng, woad&fangs, YourLordandConqueror, Zim, Knights_of_Palma, deguerra (2), GeneralHankerchief
    Charter Amendment 3.3 - No
    Andres, Kagemusha

    CA 3.3 passes.

    Charter Amendment 3.5 - Yes
    00jebus, AussieGiant, BananaBob, Cecil XIX (2), Ibn-Khaldun, Ignoramus (3), Ituralde, Northnovas, OverKnight (3), pevergreen, Privateerkev, Ramses II CP, rossahh, Rowan, TheFlax, woad&fangs, YourLordandConqueror, Knights_of_Palma, deguerra (2), GeneralHankerchief
    Charter Amendment 3.5 - No
    Kagemusha, Zim

    CA 3.5 passes.

    Charter Amendment 3.7 - Yes
    00jebus, Ibn-Khaldun, Ignoramus (3), Ramses II CP, rossahh, Tristan de Castelreng, Zim, deguerra (2)
    Charter Amendment 3.7 - No
    AussieGiant, BananaBob, Cecil XIX (2), Ituralde, Kagemusha, Northnovas, OverKnight (3), pevergreen, Privateerkev, Rowan, TheFlax, YourLordandConqueror, Knights_of_Palma, GeneralHankerchief

    11 to 17
    CA 3.7 fails.

    Charter Amendment 3.8 - Yes
    AussieGiant, BananaBob, Cecil XIX (2), Ibn-Khaldun, Ituralde, OverKnight (3), Privateerkev, Ramses II CP, rossahh, Rowan, TheFlax, Tristan de Castelreng, woad&fangs, YourLordandConqueror, Zim, Knights_of_Palma, deguerra (2), GeneralHankerchief
    Charter Amendment 3.8 - No
    00jebus, Ignoramus (3), Ituralde, Kagemusha, pevergreen

    22 to 7
    CA 3.8 pases.

    Charter Amendment 3.9 - Yes
    AussieGiant, BananaBob, Cecil XIX (2), FLYdude (2), Ibn-Khaldun, Ituralde, Kagemusha, Northnovas, OverKnight (3), Privateerkev, Ramses II CP, rossahh, Rowan, TheFlax, Tristan de Castelreng, woad&fangs, YourLordandConqueror, Zim, Knights_of_Palma, deguerra (2)
    Charter Amendment 3.9 - No
    00jebus, Ignoramus (3), pevergreen

    CA 3.9 passes.
    Last edited by TinCow; 07-23-2008 at 02:51.


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