Gordon Brown: Genius or Pinhead?

[InsaneApache]

Now that Gordon Brown has had a few months to bed himself into his job as our Dear 'unelected' Leader, it's about due to look at his half-term report.

When he's not walking into plant pots, tucking his trousers into his socks or picking his nose, what has Gordon Brown done for us?

Answers on a postcard please.

When White, Toynbee, Ashley and the rest of the deluded left wing commentators turn on him you know his time is coming to an end.

After the beating he's going to get in the coming May elections will the man with the brain the size of a planet still be in office?

My own view is that he should stop dithering and grow some Secretary of State for Children, Schools and Families and Chief Secretary to the Treasury.

Balls that is.

[Geoffrey S]

And the best part? The other guy is probably even worse

[CountArach]

And the best part? The other guy is probably even worse

Welcome to Democracy.

[Fragony]

Total poor england, these guys make our crypto-communist governherd look like hardliners. Just bend over for your salafisting droopy.

[Pannonian]

Despite our very different political views, this is why I enjoy reading the Fragmeister.

[Fragony]

Despite our very different political views, this is why I enjoy reading the Fragmeister.

Hey thanks

[naut]

He's a completely useless git.

[Mikeus Caesar]

The words 'blithering' and 'idiot' were invented 500 years ago by Nostradamus, especially for Gordon Brown.

[ICantSpellDawg]

Pinhead. Brown is a turd.

It could definitely be worse, though.


PS - i broke and finally looked up "salafisting" in google. Nothing, just two pages that mention it. What does it mean?

[Fragony]

PS - i broke and finally looked up "salafisting" in google. Nothing, just two pages that mention it. What does it mean?

That's just me being a nuissance, salafism is the saudi version of islam, and fisting, ah well you get it. English is fun.

[InsaneApache]

He sold our gold reserves at a point in the cycle when the price of auric was at it's lowest and then just to compound this dreadful error he announced to the markets that he would be selling the stuff, thus further depressing the market. Supply and demand Gordon FFS it's 'O' level economics you pillock!

The man couldn't run a bath.

Here is the measure of the man blaming the tories for him selling the family silver at bargain basement prices.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDm8...ame-again.html

You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately ... Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!

I'm with Ollie on this one.

[Kaidonni]

He sold our gold reserves at a point in the cycle when the price of auric was at it's lowest and then just to compound this dreadful error he announced to the markets that he would be selling the stuff, thus further depressing the market. Supply and demand Gordon FFS it's 'O' level economics you pillock!

The man couldn't run a bath.

Here is the measure of the man blaming the tories for him selling the family silver at bargain basement prices.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDm8...ame-again.html



I'm with Ollie on this one.

You forgot to mention raiding the pension funds, too.

[InsaneApache]

You forgot to mention raiding the pension funds, too.

I'm coming to that one.

[LittleGrizzly]

I was quite looking forward to Brown taking over from Blair but so far little has materialised and mistakes have been made, that being said when it comes down to the crunch i would vote brown anyday over a tory leader.

[ICantSpellDawg]

I was quite looking forward to Brown taking over from Blair but so far little has materialised and mistakes have been made, that being said when it comes down to the crunch i would vote brown anyday over a tory leader.

That pretty much goes without saying. I prefer the Labour party to the Tories in the UK. The Tories are like a heartless and out of touch version of the G.O.P.

When will you get a decent alternative to Blair's party?

[Vladimir]

That pretty much goes without saying. I prefer the Labour party to the Tories in the UK. The Tories are like a heartless and out of touch version of the G.O.P.

I'm sure you'll have plenty of people who say that is the GOP.

[naut]

Blair and Brown planned their strategy to make Britain a Socialist state of Europe, long before they hi-jacked the leadership of the Labour Party. They believed , correctly, that as the Tory Prime Minister, Edward Heath, tricked us into voting for the Common Market, the Tories would not open themselves up to ridicule by oposing too strongly the expanding power and influence of the EU.

Blair decimated parliament and sidestepped democratic proccess, while Brown forced every minister to toe the line by controlling their purse strings.

The second stage was a straight out of the Marxist's hand book, disenfranchise and destroy the host nation's culture using the weapon of mass immigration.
(Remember, that even at the height of the terrorist outrages, our border police were ordered to waive people through without any checks whatsoever.)

Insist that alien traditions and practices hold equal sway under the law.

Ban freedom of speech and expression, and install a climate of fear.

Recruit state employers to report on, and to spy on their neighbours, and increase use of surveillance equipment.

Create anarchy by diverting police forces away from physical crime to deal with crimes of anti-deology and political correctness.

Close informal meeting places of those old enough to object to what is happening, such as the Post Office.

Blair and Brown lied their way into power on back of a televised promise of, "No plans to raise income tax."

Rather misleading when they were planning the biggest tax hikes this country has ever seen.

Never has any 'free' nation tolerated the amount of interference by the state into their private lives, as the English are forced to now.

The humourous part about it is, that each and every one of us has the right in law to tell the state and its minions to get lost.

The Universal Decalration of Human Rights. Article 12.
'No one shall be subjected to arbitrary intrfence with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

Green Packs to sell your home? Unlawful.

Camera weilding officials inside your home? Unlawful.

Spy chips in your Wheely Bin? Unlawful.

Satelitte spying on you or your property? Unlawful.

CCTV cameras moitoring your movements in a public place? Unlawful.

Your details held on police computers though you have not been found guilty or even charged with a criminal offence? Unlawful.

And the list of illegal activities being carried out by the State seems endless.

Download a copy of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, not the European version designed by the commies to deny you the irrevocable rights and freedoms as granted to you by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

It is a simple and fairly short piece of legislation written in laman's English.

Learn your rights and then demand them!

Found that somewhere on the net, a while back, rather interesting points.

Oh and not to forget Broon picking his nose.

[Kralizec]

People are going to declare me insane, but I'd vote and probably volunteer to campaign for the liberal democrats. I like some of their positions (proportional representation for teh win) and besides there's no way they could do worse then either the other two.

[Pannonian]

That pretty much goes without saying. I prefer the Labour party to the Tories in the UK. The Tories are like a heartless and out of touch version of the G.O.P.

When will you get a decent alternative to Blair's party?

The Tories have always been heartless. The main argument they had going for them in the past is that they were significantly more competent in government than Labour. Especially since their reinvention under Thatcher, the Tories would be guaranteed to screw the poor, the foreign, the helpless, etc. as a matter of doctrine, but that's the way of the world, and the Tories were very good at carrying this through. In comparison, raised to its peak under Foot (Thatcher's opponent in 83), Labour were guaranteed to screw the country good and proper, but at least they were well meaning and had the right intentions.

The old distinctions were deliberately blurred by Blair, who ran on a platform not of ideological difference, but of more competent governance. Thatcherism was adopted wholesale by New Labour, who recognised the new liberalised political landscape (Thatcher made liberalism fashionable), but sold themselves as more in touch with the people. Given this wholesale stealing of their clothes, all the Tories could do was take the punches and wait for Labour to slip up and prove themselves hopelessly incompetent again.

Ironically, many of the worst disasters that the Labour government has seen under Blair and Brown have come from an overenthusiastic adoption of Thatcherite policies and trends. The rail system failed because its privatisation (under Major) was fundamentally unsound, resulting in many calling for its renationalisation. Northern Rock's collapse was another failure of a private company, with the government effectively nationalising it to preclude worse disasters. The British military's winddown is the continuation of a postwar trend of costcutting and downsizing, accelerating under Thatcher (famously provoking the Falklands war). The ridiculous overcommitment of the military can be seen as an aberration, which would correct itself once the evangelistic Blair was gone.

The most unforgivable mistake Labour made, which couldn't be accounted for by any political trends, was, of course, the Iraq war, whose idiocy was plain to a significant majority of the country even before it happened. After Iraq, no-one had any hope left that Labour would carry the country forward, and they were reelected in 2005 on the understanding that they would only be in power for as long as they could demonstrate good government. Any mistakes, and the country's patience would be at an end.

[Kralizec]

Especially since their reinvention under Thatcher, the Tories would be guaranteed to screw the poor, the foreign, the helpless, etc. as a matter of doctrine, but that's the way of the world, and the Tories were very good at carrying this through. In comparison, raised to its peak under Foot (Thatcher's opponent in 83), Labour were guaranteed to screw the country good and proper, but at least they were well meaning and had the right intentions.

Before Thatcher the Tories were a self-declared unideological party who emphasized "if it's not broke, don't fix it" policies and where change was necessary, to do it slowly and incrementally. They left Atlee's reforms mostly in place and the public liked them well enough to let them rule for the greater part of the next three decades. Thatcher was a radical in comparison and took the party in an entirely new direction.

[Justiciar]

People are going to declare me insane, but I'd vote and probably volunteer to campaign for the liberal democrats. I like some of their positions (proportional representation for teh win) and besides there's no way they could do worse then either the other two.

Ah. The Lib Dems. Lesser of three evils, greater of three jokes.

[rory_20_uk]

I quite liked the English Democrats - although mainly as they are in essence an interest group rather than a option to govern the country.

Conservatives prior to Thatcher let matters slide along with Labour. We're back doing the same thing:

Finances in growth - negative
Finances in recession - more negative

What the government gives out is not sustainable in its current form, and Brown isn't really helping. Currently hiing an average of a new advisor every weeks.

[Rhyfelwyr]

5 most evil people of all time in no particular order:

1. Adolf Hitler
2. Josef Stalin
3. Pol Pot
4. Timur the Lame
5. Margaret Thatcher

OK maybe a slight exaggeration, but unfortunately the Labour Party has chosen to become the true heir to Margaret Thatcher, leaving British (not English Fragony!) voters with little meaningful choice come election time.

I do not see how having two parties alternate in power depending on how long it takes for their incompetence to show can possibly be beneficial for the country.

Gordon Brown, like all the New Labour team, is a pinhead.

[Fragony]

leaving British (not English Fragony!)

I know that

[Rhyfelwyr]

I know that

Just stirring up some trouble then...

[King Henry V]

That pretty much goes without saying. I prefer the Labour party to the Tories in the UK. The Tories are like a heartless and out of touch version of the G.O.P.

When will you get a decent alternative to Blair's party?

They're the natural party of government (or were, until Mrs Thatcher stuffed the party with her yuppie allies and other such parvenus), of course they're heartless.

[LittleGrizzly]

People are going to declare me insane, but I'd vote and probably volunteer to campaign for the liberal democrats. I like some of their positions (proportional representation for teh win) and besides there's no way they could do worse then either the other two.

No laughing here they are the ony political party i have ever voted for, It was mainly as an anti-Iraq war vote but the Lib Dems are alot closer to my views than the Cons or Lab, as i live in a safe labour seat i will probably be voting Lib Dems again.

[JAG]

Rythmic - that is one of the most hilarious and stupid posts I have possibly ever seen on this board - and that is saying something. Quite how you think it is 'interesting' is beyond me, it is straight off some 13 year olds blog, devoid of reality or reason. Anyway....

It is quite possible for Brown to be neither a genius or pinhead - and he is pretty much in the middle.

He is not a good PM in my opinion, but he isn't a disaster either. The tax changes have been disasterous, talk about selling off your base - and his PR moves have likewise been terrible.

In fact, I can't really defend too much of his record because it has either been pandering to the middle class - a three year pander I am sure it will be in leading up to the elections two years from now - or it has been ineffecial and even somewhat non-existent.

My views on the state of our nation is in a pretty bleak state right now, I don't really know where to turn.

[Furious Mental]

Rhythmic if you don't want the Parliamentary majority to be able to enact whatever laws it wants you will either have to convince the rest of Britain to adopt a different constitutional system or move to another country.

[English assassin]

People are going to declare me insane, but I'd vote and probably volunteer to campaign for the liberal democrats.

You are insane. What exactly is it about a bunch of wooly minded middle class whingers that you think fits them to run the country?

I've met a few LD candidates in my time, and I have never once thought anything other than that I was meeting a sad little man/woman who needed to get a wash, a haircut, and most importantly laid.

I'd rather have Alan B'Stard or Dave Spart any day.

The Tories are like a heartless and out of touch version of the G.O.P.

I don't claim to be an expert on the Republicans but from what I do know the Tories bear little resemblance to them. For a start the Tories have no (meaningful) religious right, have always been much more international in outlook, I seriously hope no Tory party would ever have pursued Bush's dont tax and do spend economic policies, I can't imagine the GOP being as in favour of vested interests (ahem, well, ok, but what I mean is I don't think of the republicans as being small c conservatives) and so on.

IMHO the Tories more resemble a slightly more reactionary version of the democrats, although the resemblance isn't that close.

You can't learn anything about the Tories from Thatcher. She wasn't really a Tory, she was a Whig, and of a particular sort. Nothing wrong with whigs, but very different animals. Just contrast her with Cameron, who I think truly is a Tory, for good and bad.