OOC Thread and Chatroom 2

[Privateerkev]

Ah it's nice to not be in charge...

I just wanted to say, that my opposition to the Caesar's Megas candicacy, as well as my continued crusade against his rule breaking, is only IC. OOC, I have no problem with Ig being the Megas again. I'm only bringing this up because I know the subject has caused OOC emotions to run high.

But, while I am perfectly fine with everything OOC, I reserve the right to get as much IC mileage out of it as possible.

[flyd]

I tried once and was beaten

Oh, pfft. Do you want to know what my record is in elections? It goes like this:

1. Lost on influence (had more non-weighted votes).
2. Lost.
3. Lost.
4. Ran unopposed.
5. Lost as a fun practice for the people who would bring the whole thing down later.
6. Ran unopposed in an Emergency Session after the guy who beat me in (5) got himself impeached, and after the Emperor tried to take over for like two turns and gave up.
7. Beat you.

So, you see? Out of 7 elections, and 3 times actually being Megas/Chancellor/Consul, you are the only person I ever beat in an election. Thank you.

[_Tristan_]

My pleasure...

[GeneralHankerchief]

Ha, mine and Iggy's are pretty bad too. We WotS players haven't had much luck, have we?

Mine:
1. Lost to the guy who started the game-ending civil war.
2. Won, but ran unopposed and my election formally concluded the game.
3. Automatically assumed.
4. Lost.
5. Lost and got exiled to Ragusa for my troublemaking.

So I actually haven't beaten anyone.

Iggy's:

1. Ran unopposed (Sigismund).
2. Lost (Ulrich Hummel #1).
3. Lost (Ulrich Hummel #2).
4. Won (Ulrich Hummel #3), but was about to be impeached something like 2 turns in before he suicided.
5. Lost (Wolfgang Hummel).
6. Won (Ioannis), but afterwards a CA was made specifically preventing him from automatically assuming Megas-ship after Alexios died.
7. Pending.

[TinCow]

I've been a bit successful, but that's because I've been very careful about picking the right moment to run:

1) Won against 2 other opponents with similar platforms who split the opposing 'party' votes between them, thus leaving me with a comfortable victory.
2) Won against an unpopular (at that moment) opponent.
3) Lost intentionally.

[Privateerkev]

1.) Had a historic tie vote. Won the second vote with some last minute politicking.

[Ramses II CP]

I've never participated in an unrigged election, so I can't comment.

I will say that my current character couldn't get elected.

[Privateerkev]

I've never participated in an unrigged election, so I can't comment.

Is there such a thing in these games? These games don't exactly have pure democracy. People vote largely according to who they are vassal to. And the votes themselves are weighted by influence according to someone's standing on the feudal ladder.

The way I see it, all of these elections are rigged. The only question becomes, "how much?"

[TinCow]

Philippos Eirinikos (Ichigo), Tarasios Sarantinos (Byblos), and Anastasios Neokaisareitis (The Lemongate) have all been inactive now for a long time with their avatars in storage. All three avatars will be killed off unless they reappear before I return from my vacation.

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Ok, I've updated the entire Library, except for the current locations which I will do later tonight. I did notice one error which I will have to fix: Tortosa is on Makedonios Ksanthopoulos' retinue, but it should be on Stavros ek Amarinthou's. I will make this change and decline the adoption offer tonight.

Please point out any errors you notice, particularly in province ownership, ranks, influence, and organization of the feudal chains.

[Privateerkev]

Philippos Eirinikos (Ichigo), Tarasios Sarantinos (Byblos), and Anastasios Neokaisareitis (The Lemongate) have all been inactive now for a long time with their avatars in storage. All three avatars will be killed off unless they reappear before I return from my vacation.

That will help the next Megas. While RBG's don't cost much upkeep, they do cost "wages." I first noticed the "wages" shoot up when 6 RBG's were recruited during my term for replacement avatars.

I didn't want to say anything until now because I didn't want it to be seen as a conflict of interest if I said anything during my term.

[TinCow]

Wages have already been halved by LotRmod. I am actually considering restoring them to normal now that we have a large enough Empire to support them.

[Privateerkev]

Wages have already been halved by LotRmod. I am actually considering restoring them to normal now that we have a large enough Empire to support them.

I think every Senator should simply not get paid...

Unless we want to figure out how much we all get paid, and then turn around and allow each Senator to use that wage to recruit a personal PU.

[TinCow]

You all get paid 100 florins per turn. The normal amount is 200.

[Privateerkev]

You all get paid 100 florins per turn. The normal amount is 200.

Is that the only thing "wages" pays? I thought I noticed numbers that are not in perfect 100 increments.

[TinCow]

It might have been cause by bodyguard upkeep, which is not included in wages. As bodyguard numbers change due to losses in battle and subsequent regeneration, the upkeep changes. The wages are an 'extra' cost for generals and family members that is lumped on top of the bodyguard upkeep.

[ULC]

I'll vote yes to better wages! Equal pay for equal work!

...wait, what are we talking about again?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Still in support of retunring to normal wages

[Privateerkev]

It might have been cause by bodyguard upkeep, which is not included in wages. As bodyguard numbers change due to losses in battle and subsequent regeneration, the upkeep changes. The wages are an 'extra' cost for generals and family members that is lumped on top of the bodyguard upkeep.

Ah, thanks.

And I was thinking of asking for the wage increase to be voted on IC. But I remembered that no Senator would ever vote himself a pay raise in "real life."

[TinCow]

I stand corrected, actually. I just remembered that LotRmod reduces all bodyguard upkeep to 1 as well, so that's not the issue. Well, it's not the issue if you take into account the 1 florin upkeep, which would make every avatar cost a total of 101 per turn instead of a flat 100.

[Privateerkev]

Also, what is happening with Savvas? After Andres quit, you said you'd keep his avatar around until the next senate session (which is now here.)

[TinCow]

I am going to give him and BananaBob both more time before killing them off. Provinces are disposed of by law after two missed votes, but death is pretty final, so I prefer to hold off on that for longer. Plus, Andres IS around, he's just taking a break from a lot of Org stuff for personal reasons. He is far more likely to return than people who haven't logged on since July.

[Ignoramus]

I'm actually quite stoked that the Pragmatic trait grew from level 1 to level 3 without me doing a thing.

[_Tristan_]

On the subject of wages, the "not perfect 100 increments" noticed by PK may result from any numbers of agents who also receive wages (spies, merchants, diplomats and even priests if I'm not mistaken...)

[Andres]

I am going to give him and BananaBob both more time before killing them off. Provinces are disposed of by law after two missed votes, but death is pretty final, so I prefer to hold off on that for longer. Plus, Andres IS around, he's just taking a break from a lot of Org stuff for personal reasons. He is far more likely to return than people who haven't logged on since July.

I'm going on a short one week vacation from the 22nd of September until the 30th of September (or 1st of October).

I'd love to resume play with Savvas once I return

Thnx for keeping him alive and giving him is two bottles of wine/per day during my absence

And I also demand a wage increase! 1000 florins/turn for each Senator, a 15 hour work week and at least 100 days off/a year!

Aux barricades, citoyens!

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Welcome back Andres!

[_Tristan_]

Welcome back, Andres !

We've been missing your lavish spending on wine and beer...

[ULC]

Hey, Andres is back! Now Nikolaos has a drinking partner!

[Ignoramus]

Hey, Andres is back! Now Nikolaos has a drinking partner!

Welcome back, Andres!

[ULC]

Welcome back, Andres!

Any specific reason you quoted me?

[Ignoramus]

To make you ask that question.

[ULC]

To make you ask that question.

Which question?