OOC Thread and Chatroom 2

[Zim]

I thought the settlement defaulted to the other senator in the battle as well. Could've sworn that had happened before...

[TinCow]

All 1185 mugshots have been added to the Library. They should have the proper title retinue as well, as noted in the Megas thread. The only part of the Library that remains to be updated is the influence table, which will be done tomorrow. As always, please point out any errors that you notice.

[TinCow]

The influence table is now updated. After the vote is over I am going to do another house cleaning on avatars. People who have missed two consecutive votes and have not otherwise been active will be moved to inactive status and lose their provinces. All of the currently inactive players will be contacted and given a few days to return to activity. If they do not, their avatars will be killed off.

[TheFlax]

What are you going to do with all those settlements Ignoramus?!

The Komnenoi page returns and rises to address the Magnaura.

"Noble Senators, His Excellency, Ioannis Komnenos, Basileus of the Romans, is reported to have just conquered Durazzo. The garrison apparently fled before his army and the town is now under the personal control of the Basileus."

The page bows respectfully and exits the chamber.

[Ignoramus]

What are you going to do with all those settlements Ignoramus?!

Start a real estate business I think. A pity I'll lose them all when Ioannis dies.

[TheFlax]

Give some away then, before its too late!

Start a real estate business I think. A pity I'll lose them all when Ioannis dies.

[Ignoramus]

Is that a request for a bequest?

[TheFlax]

I leave it to the wisdom of our Basileus to make his mind about who should be rewarded in his will.

[_Tristan_]

The bomb has been dropped...

[TinCow]

The following inactive players have remained inactive. They will be PMed about their absence and notified that they are about to be killed off. If I receive no response within a week or a response consenting to being killed off, they will be removed from the game:

Lisas Attaleiatis (00jebus)
Nikiphoros Manouelitis (Warmaster Horus)
Ioannis Kantakouzinos (Kagemusha)

The following players are being moved to inactive status:

Sophronios Komnenos (Alerion) - Has not been on the Org for the last 2 months.
Efthymios ek Herakliou (Dafuge) - Has not been on the Org for the last 1.5 months.
Theophilos Tzimiskis (Snoman13) - Was active a week ago, but has not posted anywhere on the Org in 4 months
Ioannis Komnenos (Rodrico Stak) - Has not been on the Org for the last 2 months.
Leon Symmachos (YouHaveReceived) - Was active a week ago, but has not posted on the Org for a month and has never participated in any manner in LotR, despite being active in other Throne Room games.

Of these, only the first two own provinces which now need to be redistributed. Sophronios Komnenos (Alerion) is a vassal of Zigavinos Vasilakios (rossahh), who will receive his province of Smyrna.

Efthymios ek Herakliou (Dafuge) is a much more complex issue. He was a vassal of Nikolaos Aristenos (YLC) at the time he stopped visiting the Org. This made him a member of Ilios Korakas. However, since that House did not have a linear feudal chain, when Nikolaos died, there was no way to 'repair' the oaths with an automatic reswearing. This left Efthymios ek Herakliou (Dafuge) in limbo, without any oath affiliation to any other member of Ilios Korakas, but still nominally a member himself. This causes problems with his transfer to inactive status, because under the rules his provinces would go to the Basileus. Normally I would accept this as it is, but the other two member of Ilios Korakas are now in rebellion against the Empire. The only reason Efthymios ek Herakliou (Dafuge) is not also in rebellion is because he's been inactive since Nikolaos died and was thus unable to reswear within his own House. As this is all the result of Dafuge's OOC inactivity, I am going to resolve this in the way that seems most natural and fair: Efthymios ek Herakliou's provinces of Solomeia and Alexandria will be given to Methodios Tagaris (Tristan de Castelreng), and the auto-declaration of war will not apply to him.

[ULC]

You seem a bit confused TC - it is Vakchos Tzimes(sp) (Smowz) who married Methodios eldest duaghter, not Efthymios ek Herakliou. Also, it may not hold water, but there was an accord that once peace had been established, Efthymios ek Herakliou would reswear to Methodios - however, Dafuge went missing shortly after and the action could not be completed

[TinCow]

Yeah, I realized the son-in-law error a moment ago and corrected that. My decision still though, especially if the reswearing was supposed to occur but didn't, as you state.

[TinCow]

Just a reminder, the Rule Change that was just passed specifically says that vassals of Rebels (or Secessionists, etc.) are also Rebels. Thus, Markos ek Sinopis (TheFlax) became a rebel when Methodios Tagaris (Tristan de Castelreng) made his declaration.

The current status of the rebellion is listed here, along with all the other wars.

[KnightnDay]

Just a reminder, the Rule Change that was just passed specifically says that vassals of Rebels (or Secessionists, etc.) are also Rebels. Thus, Markos ek Sinopis (TheFlax) became a rebel when Methodios Tagaris (Tristan de Castelreng) made his declaration.

Yes, and since it was made clear a non-declaring rebel who was brought into the conflict can get out by breaking his oath, I asked IC what his intention was. It would seem odd that someone who just acted in defense of the empire has now quickly done a 180 degree turn. But maybe that's the excitement that Tristan was looking for.

[TheFlax]

A reply shall be made soon, I'm just waiting a reply from Tristan. I assume that as in any Civil War, I can break my oath and not become a rebel, right?

[KnightnDay]

As long as this still applies...

Ok, here's a rough draft of a way to implement a secession system through ranks only. This cuts out all the economic issues and keeps things consistent with the current rule set. If a secession system is going to be included, this is the format that I would prefer to have it in. I will not get involved in the discussion as to whether a secession system is good for the game or not. I can live with it either way, so I leave it up to the players to decide via a vote on a Rule Change.



This is essentially a three-tiered system for rebellions. Someone declares themselves a rebel, and *poof*, they're a rebel (if they meet the land requirements). Their vassals go with them into the rebellion, but can bow out easily by breaking the oath and then declaring neutrality to get out of the wars.

[TinCow]

A reply shall be made soon, I'm just waiting a reply from Tristan. I assume that as in any Civil War, I can break my oath and not become a rebel, right?

Yes, this is correct. You can get of the war by breaking your oath to Methodios and publicly declaring neutrality within 1 turn. Breaking your oath removes the 'Rebel' rank from you, since you would no longer meet the requirements for it. The neutrality declaration then removes you from the war itself.

[TheFlax]

Considering the loyalist forces arrayed against me in the Balkans and also considering I have no army, I figured it was better to simply surrender rather than run in circle and waste everyone's time.

*The Protoasecretes eyes Markos suspiciously.*

In the Magnaura, I command the guards, not the Basileus. This is a place for debate and diplomacy, not violence, and I will not allow the armed men of any faction to violate this sacred place. Not even the Basileus can call these guards to action if I do not permit it.

Still, it is not every day that a Senator declares himself a traitor in the midst of the Magnaura and then waits passively to be arrested. Treason itself isn't much of a crime; why all the greatest of our Roman ancestors committed a treason at some point in their lives. However, in my day traitors had enough of a spine to actually rant about injustice and how they had been slighted, before either getting themselves killed or taking their own lives. Usually some spectacular battle or melodramatic speech came first, but it was always entertaining. This new-found passivity in treason is very un-Roman. So, for this violation of the traditional Roman laws on the proper way in which a traitor is to comport himself, I hereby order that you be arrested!

Guards...

*The Protoasecretes gestures to the armed men standing at the various doorways.*

...take this man into custody and... do whatever it is he wants done with himself.

*The guards hesitate and look a bit confused, until one shrugs and moves forward to grab Markos ek Sinopis.*

[TinCow]

I know, I was just trying to prevent a rush of soldiers in some IC reply, since I've tried to make it clear that violence is not allowed in the Magnaura. If people want to stab or otherwise attack each other, it can be done in the Hippodrome. I also generally try to write the Protoasecretes in an amusing manner, since there's not much other comedy in this game.

[TheFlax]

Well it did make me laugh, but it really wasn't what I was expecting.

I understand your reasoning though, I didn't anticipe anyone reacting violently I guess.

[TinCow]

Well, if Ignoramus comes along and would like to politely request that you be marched off somewhere, the Protoasecretes will permit that. He just doesn't like other peoples' guards barging into the Senate.

[flyd]

I've been trying to catch up on recent events, and the lack of OverKnight's history has been a problem. I was still sort of following the threads, but someone completely new would have even bigger trouble putting the pieces together. Is anyone up for continuing OK's thread from this point, or even filling in the previous events? GH perhaps?

[TheFlax]

I've been thinking the same thing for some time, but it kept slipping my mind. I'd be up to do it, provided I could have another volonteer to assist me. Filling the previous events while keeping up with the current ones will demand a lot of work I think.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Yes it is a lot of work. If You don't update that History thread all the time it would be pain in the *** to update it properly after some time has passed. I know, I've done it in WotB.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'll take a look at things tomorrow, but no promises.

[Cecil XIX]

So, what's going to happen with Kousinos' MoH? Since Kagemusha isn't playing, does it get accepted automatically?

[Zim]

Had to talk to TinCow about a few moves. As soon as he replies I'll move the turn forward.

[TinCow]

So, what's going to happen with Kousinos' MoH? Since Kagemusha isn't playing, does it get accepted automatically?

No one is currently waiting for an avatar, so it can be rejected. If anyone ever wants an avatar that pops up to marry her, it can be taken without anyone else's consent.

[_Tristan_]

To Tincow :

I think Cecil was taling about the Man of the Hour offer he's got for his own avatar (Kousinos Sophianos) with Kagemusha's as adopter. As Kag has been AWOL for some time, who gets to decide on the adoption ?

[TinCow]

Whoever got the MoH offer can decide. Kage is permanently gone from the game and his avatar will be killed off soon. His input is no longer required for these things.