OOC Thread and Chatroom 2

[Ibn-Khaldun]

If Kosmas is dead then Efstathios must swear an Oath to someone else ...

The House of Asteri is filled with crazy people who go against the odds and get their avatars end up dead!

Not that Efstathios is any better

[Ituralde]

I'm back! Enjoyed my holidays but had time to follow the forums.

Two avatars down already, and the Megas is annoying people left and right! Awesome!

[Andres]

Battle report is up

Welcome back Ituralde

[Warmaster Horus]

Welcome back Ituralde!

Two avatars down already, and the Megas is annoying people left and right! Awesome!

Doesn't that remind you of KotR...

[TinCow]

For the record, I allowed Igno to block the Jihad (he only blocked 1 of the 2 crossing, but apparently the French then moved onto the other one, causing a blockage that wasn't there when Igno made his moves) because apparently fixing this would have required a lot more time to be spent and I want to keep the game moving. In addition, blocking the crossing with a fleet is a lot different from blocking it with a tiny army IC, because the Jihad army can't just stomp the fleet and keep moving. For this very reason, naval control of the Bosphorus has been of massive military importance for nearly all of human history.

I hope my explanation is acceptable to everyone, as I saw a difference in the circumstances.

[Ramses II CP]

Of course if the AI weren't completely incompetent they could just hire a jihad mercenary ship and only have to go two steps out of the way to get around the blockage. Seems like a very similar situation to the refusal to attack small armies in a choke point, unless we want to do the jihad shuffle (Letting them get as far as, say, the mountains south of Sarkel and then removing the ship so they start back for Con., then putting the ship back when they get close, etc.). AI abuse hardly seems warranted.

[TinCow]

Again, unlike in the previous situation, no one would have expected this to result in a reverse movement of the Jihad, as the other crossing was open. It just happened that the French Crusade moved there during its turn (before the Jihad got to move) and this then resulted in both routes being blocked. He then asked me what to do. I said I would prefer if it he replayed it, but that if that would take a lot of time he didn't have to. Apparently it would have taken a lot of time, as he did not.

Yes, I'm already regretting sticking my foot into this strategic AI issue in the first place. I think that was an error and I should just have let it be. Trying to figure out what is good and what is bad in this kind of situation may cause more problems than just dealing with the moronic AI as it is.

[Privateerkev]

We could just pretend that the French did it to help us.

And yeah, trying to save the AI from itself seems like a losing battle.

[Ramses II CP]

I hope it's obvious I wasn't complaining about the solution, but about the AI, which is always happy to abuse itself even when we aren't trying to abuse it. The jihad shuffle is just a particularly hilarious example of AI self abuse because if the AI didn't get map information it shouldn't have for it's pathing then the shuffle wouldn't work. One of those cases where the programmers tried to help the AI out and ended up making a royal mess of it. It'd be better if there were a simple sort of '+1' solution to cause the AI to wait at least one turn before deciding to go 15 turns out of the way, or even better if the AI could reasonably pick a good defensive terrain spot and wait it out there.

While I'm dreaming why not have the AI perform jihads the way a player would, conquering everything along a reasonably direct path to the target, eh?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Point of order:

A noble asked to be adopted by my younger brother, Andronikos. Acting on behalf of my brother, I refused(As no one controls Andronikos, the decision falls to the Megas).

I was under the impression that this avatar was reserved for flyd once it came of age.

[TinCow]

I was under the impression that this avatar was reserved for flyd once it came of age.

Last I heard, flyd hadn't made up his mind:

I won't be jumping back in right away. Let's adopt a wait-'n'-see approach.

Let me know what you want to do about your reincarnation. We can pop an RBG for you by 1117 if you want. Also, Andronikos and Isaakios Komnenos will both come of age towards the end of this current term, perhaps a week or so from now.

[GeneralHankerchief]

All right then, my mistake.

[Ignoramus]

In fact, the AI is more moronic than you think. I replayed the save, as TC asked me to do, and didn't block the crossing. The Turks still turned around.

[Cecil XIX]

Okay, I'm back. I'm mostly caught up, and I'll soon start posting and replying to PMs. (including clearing my PM Box. )

Somehow, I just knew I'd come back to see another post in the Mausoleum.

[deguerra]

*cough cough*

*clearing of throat*

*taking of long, deep breath*

IGNORAMUS! CLEAR YOUR INBOX!!!!!!

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am desperately trying to revive Efstratios' storyline.

I dont have SS installed yet. Where is he anyway, how old, etc?

Is anyone still interested in him as a character or should I drop out?

[Privateerkev]

I am desperately trying to revive Efstratios' storyline.

I dont have SS installed yet. Where is he anyway, how old, etc?

Is anyone still interested in him as a character or should I drop out?

He is still sitting in Durrazzo. Michail is still standing outside Durazzo with the spearmen.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Thanks, Privateerkev.

If I can get things working, I'd like to one day... maybe... even move my character around the map for once.

If anyone cares, Efstratios is currently being "held as a captive prisoner" by the "Free Durazzo Movement".

[Ignoramus]

I recruited 2 units of Town Militia in Antioch, and two Peasant Archer units. The Order now has 6 infantry, 4 archers, and 2 cavalry, as required.

[Privateerkev]

NM...

[Privateerkev]

I recruited 2 units of Town Militia in Antioch, and two Peasant Archer units. The Order now has 6 infantry, 4 archers, and 2 cavalry, as required.

Sorry Ig but they aren't in the save that you released at the beginning of the turn. Only 1 archer was recruited in Nicosia. So that is what I am going off of IC.

Did you mix up the saves when you and TC were trying to fix the French Crusade problem?

[Ramses II CP]

FYI unless there's something wrong with my game there were not two units of town militia available to be recruited in Antioch last year.

[Kagemusha]

Hey,can my avatar please have the title ancillary that comes from being the ruler of Armenia?

[TinCow]

I'll transfer it when I do the Library update next year, along with anything else of a similar sort. I think several titles will need to be moved around.

[Ignoramus]

Also, could you remove Ioannis' pagan magician?

[Privateerkev]

FYI unless there's something wrong with my game there were not two units of town militia available to be recruited in Antioch last year.

I think he meant spear militia. At least, I hope that is what he meant...

[Ramses II CP]

Well, my point is simply that the 'rules' about private armies are more like suggestions, and I sincerely hope the next Megas is paying close attention to that fact. As long as you're willing to at least make an excuse that couldn't possibly be accurate no one will even notice whether you're upholding them or not.

[Privateerkev]

Well, my point is simply that the 'rules' about private armies are more like suggestions, and I sincerely hope the next Megas is paying close attention to that fact. As long as you're willing to at least make an excuse that couldn't possibly be accurate no one will even notice whether you're upholding them or not.

Just my opinion but I think Ig is telling the truth about the units. I think he did recruit them but with the jumble of saves him and TC worked on, something got lost or missed.

So, OOC I'm fine with this. I want it fixed of course but I am convinced that this latest "rule breaking" was an honest mistake.

IC however I consider it fair game and will act accordingly...

[TinCow]

I am preparing a 'Guide' on how to play the Megas. As part of this, I will address the issue of breaking rules like this. The following will apply to all future Megas terms: If the Megas violates an OOC game rule and this violation is protested by a player (if no one protests, it must not be a serious violation) he will be given one turn to rectify the situation or begin rectifying the situation, if it would require multiple turns. If this is not done, or the rule is violated a second time, the Megas will be removed from office without an impeachment vote, and a new election will be held in an Emergency Session, in which the 'impeached' Megas will not be allowed to stand for re-election.

[Privateerkev]

How many "unalligned Senators" are we going to allow in this game?

I understand TF and GH were special cases. But now ATPG, who has an avatar BTW, is now also playing a "generic Elector."

The problem with "generic Electors" is that you really can't interact with them in the rules. You can yell at them in the Senate and see that their legislation dies but that is it. He has no real political or military career for us to threaten. Doesn't seem fair...

I thought the "everyone must have an avatar" rule was written specifically to prevent this.