OOC Thread and Chatroom 2

[Cecil XIX]

I see. In that case, Zim, can you accept the offer?

[Andres]

No one is currently waiting for an avatar, so it can be rejected.

[TinCow]

Eh? What did I do?

[Andres]

*** waits for avatar ***

I guess I probably should have told you that I wanted a new avatar.

[ULC]

Why not take one of the Avatars that might get killed off, or where the players have gone inactive? TC's judgment call on that though.

[TinCow]

The avatars that are all about to be killed off are all 47, 52, and 56. They're probably too old to be desirable for a new avatar.

[ULC]

What about Vakchos, Sophrianos, and Ethymious? They have inactive players, are fairly young, and each are rather important.

[TinCow]

Smowz (Vakchos) isn't inactive yet. He will be next term. The other two are inactive, but not about to be killed off. I'm not going to re-assign avatars when there's still a chance someone will return to play them.

[ULC]

I understand TC, I was just erring on the side of caution - they are important characters to an extent, to have them just suddenly die of might be a bit weird.

[TheFlax]

Anything from the Megas on when we can expect the next turn?

From what Zim told me, should be in an hour or so. Other turns should move more quickly.

[Zim]

Hmmm...our OOC threads aren't filling up as fast as the last games. Better do my part with meaningless banter.

How's everyone doing?

[ULC]

OOC - Happy there is some life back in the game, however I wish we could make it as alive as before. OOC, I demand more IC interaction

IC - Helarionas is angry at Arintheos Voutoumitis for disbanding those men near Italy Time for some Vengeance

[Zim]

Well, things seem to be heading towards more interaction at least. I suppose I should get back on top of things as far as IC posts. Lots of stuff is happening but the story and IC threads haven't become as active as might be expected.

Of course I was going to disband those troops. They were a waste of money and well within your reach. I disbanded some another small fleet Helarionas could reach as well.

No clue why Helarionas would be angry that soldiers of the Empire in no way affiliated with him were disbanded, though.

[TheFlax]

Markos actually recommended disbanding those troops in his report. Since Arintheos is loosely following the same guidelines, it was only natural they be disbanded to preserve our precarious finances.

[ULC]

Bah Humbug you money pinching, coin sniffing, dollar licking, misers and money-grubbers! Who cares about finances!

[Zim]

I care about finances a bit, but more that Helarionas' most recent action was very forseeable and Arintheos continues to be a loyalist.

[ULC]

Hmmm...once I get back home, I'll have to be checking that save

[Zim]

So, now that nobody of importance is objecting to Helarionas' marriage, can they just get married this turn (if they aren't already, I haven't been keeping track of how many turns passed since the event started)?

[Ituralde]

I thinks it's the IC quiet before the IC storm. Most people are wary of the others and probably don't want to give too much away through Stories.

Just my guess, though. I'm looking forward to how this develops and count on y'all staying active through the entire thing!

[Zim]

You may be right. Helarionas, Methodios, Erotikos and his lackey (no offense, Cecil. )... This isn't going to have the relatively Status Quo ending of the War of Words.

I thinks it's the IC quiet before the IC storm. Most people are wary of the others and probably don't want to give too much away through Stories.

Just my guess, though. I'm looking forward to how this develops and count on y'all staying active through the entire thing!

[Ituralde]

Aren't PVP battles resolved at the end of the turn? Or is it the end of the turn already? I'm just asking cause I might get a move in that is completely unrelated to the conflict between Helarionas and Andreas.

[Zim]

End of the turn I believe.

I'm not freezing the turn, just extending the deadline (I was going to push it through in half an hour), so feel free to move your character.

[_Tristan_]

I need a bit of time to do my moves as well... a few hours at the most...

[Zim]

There's plenty of time. It should take at least a day to get the pvp battle set up.

I need a bit of time to do my moves as well... a few hours at the most...

[ULC]

Just went on a murdering spree Ingame and found that marrying Aleksandra puts me third in line for the throne

I only have to have Andronikos die some weird, nasty death, and I get to be Caesar....

[Ignoramus]

Good luck...

[_Tristan_]

And if Ioannis were to die before Methodios, we would have a Basileus which had rebelled against his own Empire...

[TinCow]

A note: Due to Helarionas Anargiros (YLC) swearing fealty to Methodios Tagaris (Tristan de Castelreng), YLC has also become a rebel and has joined the Tagarian Rebellion civil war. As this war includes all of the combatants who were already at war with YLC in the 'War of Abduction', I consider that war to have merged into the Tagarian Rebellion. Thus, the War of Abduction is now over, and YLC's little personal war is now also part of the Tagarian Rebellion. If you haven't noticed, I keep all this info up to date here.

Please also note that regardless of any IC situations, the rules of Event Five still apply. Helarionas Anargiros (YLC) cannot marry the princess until 5 turns have passed (1189 AD), and even then there must not be any hostile Senator within 1 turn's movement of him.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

You're entirely correct. I simply added YLC to the Tagarian Rebellion civil war, then later looked and saw that he was at war with Marcus Agrippa and went from there. I erred by forgetting that he had just now become a rebel. Under the new rules for rebels, when a person becomes a rebel they make the declaration of war:



This means that YLC just declared war on Marcus Agrippa this turn. Thus, under 5.1, Marcus Agrippa can attack YLC this turn, but YLC cannot attack Marcus Agrippa until next turn. Thank you for pointing out this error. The above battle is now CANCELLED unless Marcus Agrippa appears and states that he wants to fight it. The game may proceed as normal, and the turn may be ended whenever the Megas wishes. YLC may not attack anyone except the Basileus this turn, as the other two people he was at war with are now (ironically) his allies.

(Yes, this game is now so complex that even I have difficulty remembering all the rules all the time.)

Since Helarionas swore an oath to Methodios and thus became part of the Rebellion do I have to once again declare myself neutral??

[TinCow]

While I see where the rules as written would make that necessary, I will not require it. Now that we're delving into PvP much more regularly, we're bound to find rule conflicts that haven't been dealt with before. I am perfectly happy using my generic GM powers to smooth over these conflicts when they arise.

So, as far as I am concerned, the answer is no. You're already neutral in that war. Helarionas just flipped sides by joining Methodios, so it's the same conflict, just with a change in the allegiance of one of the combatants. I therefore consider your neutrality binding on Helarionas as well. This is not a disadvantage to anyone, as YLC is perfectly free to declare war on you unilaterally if he really wants to.