1.2 - further and farther, the Qin Dynasty??

**satalexton** · 08-03-2008, 22:52

MeinPanzer, u missed several details, but most importantly, the Han envoy was robbed and killed, not merely 'left unhappy'...

**MeinPanzer** · 08-03-2008, 23:15

Originally Posted by satalexton

MeinPanzer, u missed several details, but most importantly, the Han envoy was robbed and killed, not merely 'left unhappy'...

Obviously I'm not going to relay all the details of the story, since that would take too much time. I just tried to summarize it here for the debate at hand. I left out some of the details which were irrelevant to the discussion (like the Xiong-nu shadowing the second expedition, which doesn't seem to have had any outcome) or the agreements with allies on both the Han and Xiong-nu sides (which resulted in no action, as none of the allies joined either side in combat).

But you misunderstand what I wrote in the second part. I don't think I was quite clear in my writing:

the king of Da Yuan refused (obviously because they were a precious resource), the embassy left unhappy with this news, and the king for some reason became angry with their response and had them killed on their way back.

What I mean here is that the king of Da Yuan told the embassy that they couldn't have the horses, and the embassy reacted unhappily to this news, which made the king of Da Yuan angry. The embassy left the king's residence, but made it only to the border of Ferghana, where they were killed and robbed by agents of the king because of the king's anger at their reaction to being rebuffed.

**Sir Edward** · 08-04-2008, 02:17

Guys really you got your response from the EB team that under no situation would they include the Qin dynasty in EB with the TW engine, why is this argument still going on? It's pretty obvious that no one is going to be changing their mind in this thread. Just accept that an alternate history there is really an infinite number of possibilities for outcomes. Maybe the Chinese and Romans could have had a military impact on each other but we will never know since if you change one factor there will be a ripple effect. If chinese soldier went west whats to say they wouldn't come close to rebellion and the army would have to turn back (a la Alexanders macedonian army at the indus), it just can't be known since there are too many variables.

**lobf** · 08-04-2008, 03:13

I don't think anyone has any illusions about the Chinese making their way into EB... this is a hypothetical discussion.

**Megas Methuselah** · 08-04-2008, 06:04

Not only is it hypothetical, but it is also quite enlightening.

**lobf** · 08-04-2008, 06:36

Originally Posted by Methuselah

Not only is it hypothetical, but it is also quite enlightening.

Indeed, I have read every post.

**irishguy1** · 08-05-2008, 09:01

wow so many people commented on this, never expected this to arouse so much interest

I am grateful for the hard-working gamers who coded the mod to it's max. And really rather than just thinking that my desire of including China was in the next update, but just the idea of what such a game would be like, whenever it is that our computers could handle such performance.

And really just how many people it would take to create such an epic game.

So sorry if anyone thought i was raising a petition sort of thing to actually start something along these lines, just more an idea.