An EB interactive campaign ...

[Roka]

LotR uses the LotR mod which does this:

Obviously the majority of changes are specific to M2 and Stainless Steel. But we can adapt it to EB and add some minimods as well.
Don't worry; it should all come in a nice, neat package you can install easily. That way you could have both EB 1.1 and our version.

this could prove problematic for me, as i am swiftly running out of room on ym comp, also when would we be looking at startign this game up as i will busy studying for next 2 weeks

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Roka - We need to test this mod that WH is creating for our use before we can start.. I don't think that we start in the next couple of weeks..

johnhughthom - I'll sign you up!

[Roka]

Roka - We need to test this mod that WH is creating for our use before we can start.. I don't think that we start in the next couple of weeks..

WH has Pm'd me the details, as i told him i can be counted (probably) in

[||Lz3||]

another thing crossed my mind...well actually 2 heheh

1-AS has a lot of small (3-4 units max) battles at the beggining , the largest army at the start has 4 units afaik and the economy isn't as great either

2- I have a heavily moddified EB ehehe so I might not be able to play cause I don't want to risk my 215bc camapaign , cause I have already killed a 240bc camapaign by messing with the files midgame

[Ibn-Khaldun]

||Lz3||
1 - All battles without a general will be fought be the Chancellor(Or what ever we call him). Battles with the Generals will be fought by the players. The Economy might not look too good but actually after some 'reforms' you can easily make over 10000mnai a turn.

2 - I presume that these are just .txt files that are changed? If they are then you can just copy them into your backup folder. Or is there other files changed too?

[||Lz3||]

I have moded waaaaaaay too many files to be listed

I have changed ,

EDCT-export_descr_character_traits (know as mid campaign killer)

and a lot of other changes from the descr_strat , to EBBS , unit skins , and well I use alex.exe

there are like other 30 or so other changed files, I already have a backup , but... I'm afraid to kill my campaign again , so unless someone confirms that chaning EDCT midgame , then play another campaign , and then switch back to the original modded EDCT does not kill my campaign hehe

[Ferret]

Are you planning to use LotR rules or write your own? If it's the former I'd advise you to use KotR rules, they are more suited to smaller groups of players.

[Incitatus]

This looks very interesting and I would love to get in on it, but I won't really be able to play for the next 2 weeks or so. If you have started by then, would it be possible to join late? If you haven't, or if it is, count me in!

[00jebus]

let me guess IK's answer;

course you can join late

In fact, thanks to recruitable generals in EB, people can join at any time

[Incitatus]

Excellent. I can't wait for this to get started.

[Warmaster Horus]

00jebus nailed it. It's exactly that.

EDIT: actually, after looking at this thread (why is vh the recommended difficulty?), and especially Foot's replies, I think we'll have Hard as campaign difficulty. The campaign should be challenging enough.

[Olimpian]

I'd be interested, if it's no biggy if maybe I'll be away for some 2 weeks in september (nothing certain yet). Other than that, I'm good to go anytime.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

let me guess IK's answer;

course you can join late

Am I really so predictable?!

Anyway.. I'll change the first post now...

And yes.. thanks to recruitable generals you can join when ever you want..
I just hope that people could stick to this until the end and wouldn't disappear after a year or two in game..

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Now.. Could some EB famous historians give us some help?!

I like to know how should we call the 'Royal Council'? or 'Chancellor'?
Also.. could someone give us some suggestions how to call our generals. 'Strategos' means 'general' actually so this way we could be the lowest rank..
But what about some higher ones? 'Megas Strategos?

[MerlinusCDXX]

Now.. Could some EB famous historians give us some help?!

I like to know how should we call the 'Royal Council'? or 'Chancellor'?
Also.. could someone give us some suggestions how to call our generals. 'Strategos' means 'general' actually so this way we could be the lowest rank..
But what about some higher ones? 'Megas Strategos?

A suggestion; Strategos- good as suggested
Strategos Epilektos- next higher rank (distinguished general)
Epistrategos- regional military commander title (pulled from trait file)
Strategos Hetairos- high rank, for a general that draws favor from the Basileus himself (companion general)

Note: anyone who actually knows ancient Greek grammar and spelling, please feel free to correct my suggestions, also, a "junior general" rank may be good, ie Strategos Ephebos (or something like that, as I stated, I never studied ancient Greek myself, so I fully expect that my phrasing is incorrect).

[Celtic_Punk]

id be interested in it! so will we get to fight our own characters battles?

I propose the KH or Baktria or Selucids for the faction we use

[Foot]

the faction has already been decided. It is AS.

Foot

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Yes.. Faction is decided already.

Edited the first post.. Celtic_Punk is joining too..
We have 26 people interested so far and we try to get this thing started in the next week probably
Don't want to delay it anymore or people would loose interest..

Anyway.. these are the 'Civil War' rules that will be added to the rest of the rules..

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

5. Civil War

*5.1 Declaration of War

Civil War can be started by Satraps only. A Satrap must make a Declaration of War towards a specific Satrap or Basileus in a public thread before they can attack any of that Satrap's(Basileus') armies or settlements. A Declaration of War applies to all Generals who are named as Aids of both the Satrap who makes the Declaration and the Satrap who is the target of the Declaration.
A Declaration of War does not apply to any Generals who are not in any way connected to the declarer or the target.
Neither the Satrap who made the Declaration of War, nor anyone who act as an Aid of that Satrap, can attack the target of that Declaration, or anyone who act as an Aid of that Satrap, until the target(s) have been provided with one full turn's worth of movement.
This rule does not limit movement in any way, nor does it prevent the target(s) of the Declaration of War from attacking the declarer(s).

*5.2 Ending a Civil War

A Civil War will end when all Generals on one side are dead or all living Generals on both sides publicly agree to a Peace Treaty.
So long as it is limited to changes to the provinces, settlements, armies, and retinue of the Generals signing the Peace Treaty, it will be considered binding law.
All terms of a Peace Treaty that go beyond these limits, particularly those that increase a Generals influence or powers beyond those allowed by the rules, will only be binding if adopted by a two-thirds majority of the Council at the next normal session.
Individual Generals may unilaterally remove themselves from a Civil War within one turn of the Declaration of War and by publicly declaring Neutrality.
Neutrality cannot be claimed by a declarer, a target, or any General who has been involved in a PvP Battle during that specific Civil War.

5.3 PvP Battles

Whenever two hostile armies enter adjacent squares, a PvP Battle will occur, even if the armies have movement points remaining.
If both players agree, the battle will be fought via multiplayer, with Ibn-Khaldun, Warmaster Horus, or anyone they choose acting as umpire.
The umpire will determine the map and the precise composition of the armies.
If the battle is not fought via multiplayer, there will be a 24 hour voting period to determine how the battle will be fought.
The voting options will be (a) Tabletop Battle (b) Abbreviated Tabletop Battle and (c) AI Battle.
All players may vote, even those not involved in the battle, all votes will be unweighted, and the option that receives the most votes will be chosen.
Tabletop Battles will be in the style of the Battle of Bern and the Battle of Trent and will be umpired by Ibn-Khaldun, Warmaster Horus, or anyone they choose.
Abbreviated Tabletop Battles will be identical to a Tabletop Battle, but will be 1 turn in length.
Players will determine their starting positions and outline a general strategy for the battle.
The umpire will then play out the battle and determine the victor.
The umpire may allow a maximum of 1 or 2 additional turns beyond the starting turn if they so choose.
The Abbreviated Tabletop Battle will be run by Ibn-Khaldun, Warmaster Horus, or anyone they choose.
AI Battles will be custom battles in the TW engine in which the AI will control all units on both sides.
AI battles will be umpired by Ibn-Khaldun, Warmaster Horus, or anyone they choose.
The umpire will determine all settings to be used in the battle, including the map and the precise composition of the armies.
Regardless of the type of battle chosen, the umpire must attempt to have the battle replicate the in-game state of affairs to the best of his ability.
Regardless of the type of battle chosen, the umpire will determine the results, including, but not limited to, units to be disbanded as casualties, avatars to be killed off as casualties, and changes in the control of provinces.
Console commands may be used to implement the results.

I would like to know what you think of them..
They are changed LotR 'Civil War' rules..
Since looks like a Civil War will be soon brake out in LotR then we can see how this 'Civil War' thing work out in there..

[Warmaster Horus]

For more information on the civil war battles played in previous games (WotS and KotR), check these links out:
- The Battle of Ancyra (WotS)
- The Battle for Rome (which ended WotS)
- The Battle of Bern (KotR)
- The Battle of Staufen (KotR)
- The Battle of Trent (ending KotR)

These five battles will be the examples Ibn-Khaldun and I take to conduct the PVP battles (unless a better method is found).

[Fondor_Yards]

Looks good.

[Celtic_Punk]

I just thought about something, what if another satrap wants to help his buddy, or a general from another satrap wants to help, directly by showing up with his own army and participating in the war, or by just sending troops to help boost numbers?

and another question, since Avatars can die of old age, what do you do then? Do you pick another guy and continue? or do you sit out forever? or just a few turns till a new guy appears? or do you take control of his son? or his son's son?

itd kinda suck to get handed an Avatar thats like 40 and have him die, then just sit around watching the wheat grow in Elysium