Geert Wilders interview

**Banquo's Ghost** · 08-05-2008, 19:08

Geert Wilders is the Dutch politician responsible for the controversial Fitna film comparing the Koran to Mein Kampf, and our own Fragony often refers to his views with some admiration. Since I don't speak or read Dutch, it has been difficult for me to get a balanced view on this gentleman's actual stance - and when someone is accused of the sort of racism apportioned to Mr Wilders, nuance is important - at least to me.

As I've noted before, I have some sympathy for Fragony's views on multiculturalism and its potential for conflict, but somewhat less for the generalisations and simplifications that often attend. When I came across this BBC Radio 4 interview with the fellow, it therefore presented a chance to further my understanding. I offer it here in case anyone else might be intrigued.

In short, I can understand where Mr Wilders is coming from, but find him utterly unconvincing because of his blanket characterisation of a complex problem. It is interesting to speculate with the interviewer about the origin of his opinions, and also to hear his misunderstandings being addressed. I suppose the disconcerting thing for me is the utter certainty with which Mr Wilders presents. There is no shadow upon his conviction, no hint of shades of grey, and no doubt in his absolute mission. Whilst making allowances for his profession, it still disturbs me to hear such absolutism - so he does not persuade, and loses his valid points in a surge of unbending assurance. However, he is not (at least on this evidence) a ranting demagogue.

BBC Radio 4 Listen Again: The Choice (right hand sidebar).

**Tribesman** · 08-05-2008, 21:06

However, he is not (at least on this evidence) a ranting demagogue.

perhaps the description is more along the lines of alarmist prick who buries any real message about real issues with his paranoid and closed minded absolutist nonsense .

**Fragony** · 08-07-2008, 08:58

My baby

**Geoffrey S** · 08-07-2008, 09:48

He keeps you awake at night?

**Fragony** · 08-07-2008, 10:08

Originally Posted by Geoffrey S

He keeps you awake at night?

Beats being asleep all day

Ah well, let me give me opinion it's a forum after all. Geert Wilders is a political troll, he makes outragious statements and it's hilarious to see how other politicians react, oh the holy indignation. He is shooting at the wrong folks though, he shouldn't be shooting at the muslims he should be shooting at the multicultural left. Only a complete idiot falls for the islam is peace crap, but without the cult it would be insignificant. But keep shooting mia muca, I don't really care who he hits as long as he shoots. He goes too far but he got my vote anyway.

**CrossLOPER** · 08-07-2008, 14:27

You like him because he's a windbag?

**Reverend Joe** · 08-07-2008, 23:41

Originally Posted by Fragony

Beats being asleep all day

Ah well, let me give me opinion it's a forum after all. Geert Wilders is a political troll, he makes outragious statements and it's hilarious to see how other politicians react, oh the holy indignation. He is shooting at the wrong folks though, he shouldn't be shooting at the muslims he should be shooting at the multicultural left. Only a complete idiot falls for the islam is peace crap, but without the cult it would be insignificant. But keep shooting mia muca, I don't really care who he hits as long as he shoots. He goes too far but he got my vote anyway.

Islam isn't violent. Just because there's a bunch of Muslim fanatics out there right now means nothing. Hell, don't you remember the reason they hate us to begin with? For about 1700+ years, Christianity had the most violent followers on the planet. Doesn't mean that Christianity is a violent religion, does it?

And anyway, what's wrong with saying, hey, maybe we shouldn't burn people alive because they don't eat crackers on Sunday?

**Louis VI the Fat** · 08-09-2008, 04:42

Originally Posted by Fragony

He is shooting at the wrong folks though, he shouldn't be shooting at the muslims he should be shooting at the multicultural left.

That's my boy.

Novel on prophet's wife pulled for fear of backlashWhat is this? The 1930's? Novels pulled out of fear? How long until these dhimmis demand entrance to our libraries and art museums to burn and censor anything that might offend someone somewhere?
These dhimmis give Muslims a bad reputation like this.

Has Wilders' movie been broadcast on any Dutch televison channel yet, Fragony? Or are they still censoring the works of their own politicians? Are the Dutch still reduced to the level of Birmese and Zimbabweans - that is, relying on the internet to find out the political program of their government's opposition?