terrorists beware

**BigTex** · 08-06-2008, 23:48

Originally Posted by Sarmatian

So a good portion of US administration should go to jail for giving weapons to Saddam? Guilty by association. If I've learned something from Tribesy here, that's when to say "bollox!"...

Comparing cold relations during proxy wars to a mad man's driver/bodyguard? Sorry, but that's a leap. You are completely disregarding prime motives during the cold war. The US administration was also removed by several levels of assiociation to what was going on compared to this man who was directly paid and worked directly for bin laden.

But don't let me interrupt here. Please let me hear how this man, a driver for a sociopathic terrorist, is compareable to US relations during the cold war.

Originally Posted by SwedishFish

Is life a fair sentence? Hell, he even said he was in it for the money.

So he was in it for the money? So that makes working for a terrorist organization ok? Blood money is a double edged sword, and this man just got stabbed by it. He has none of my sympathy, nor any of my concern. Sorry you gambled with your life and you got cuaght.

**Crazed Rabbit** · 08-06-2008, 23:58

Lefties when a man's house is seized because he didn't have a license plate on his van in his driveway: It's the law and it's fair.

Lefties when bin Laden's Yemeni driver/bodyguard in Afghanistan (ie the crap about being a poor Afghan with a hungry family means nothing) is sentenced to jail: Oh noes! How unfair!

CR

**Husar** · 08-07-2008, 01:32

Well, I think if he knew he was driving a wanted terrorist around then he had to see such a sentence coming if caught and has only himself to blame, if being the lookout for some rapist soldiers is wrong then being the driver of a wanted terrorist is just as wrong because it is supportive of the crimes commited by the "worse" ciminals.

**KarlXII** · 08-07-2008, 01:34

I have a problem with the possible sentence he is facing, and that's life imprisonment. I also have a problem with the fact they did charge him (but did not convict him) with conspiracy in the 9/11 attacks. Material aid to terrorists is supplying money, RPG's, AK-47's, not driving Osama around. I believe he did it for the money.

**Tribesman** · 08-07-2008, 01:55

The only problem I have with this is that its taken so long and all they have managed so far is to convict a nobody , though I have heard they may be close to convicting both his chef and manicurist but it appears his tailor may have cut a deal .
Oh and the other problem which is more to do with the whole "justice" of this "legal" framework , the statement that even if aquitted of all charges he could still have been held in prison indefinately.

**Louis VI the Fat** · 08-07-2008, 01:56

Oh, I'll be obscure and throw in a quote from an Islamic Networking Site

Brother from Nigeria:

I am a 28 year old bother upon the qeedah of ahlul sunna wal jamaah.People describe me as easygoing,friendly and understanding.My intrests are Islam,reading,fiqh,Jihad and fighting i the cause of Allah, history, martialarts, mountains,computers,gadgets,internet,horse back riding,Driving fast bikes,current affairs, brainstorming, science,traveling,financial/investing,camping,walking,
jogging,and hiking and spending quality time with my mum ,my family and truest friends.

I will be living in early in 2007 to the arabian penuisala.I have alawys had a loveaffair with Horse

I am searching for a muslimah that has the right aqeedah,a good heart especially to her muslim brethren,good adab,easygoing,understanding,loves kids,compassionte,and a sweet romantic woman as well.
She should not be afraid of the blame of the blamers.Basically a devout muslimah.

Jazakumullahu khairun.

Why is it relevant? Because I think this is basically the kind of guy that was convincted in our trial. A Jihadist, sure. An adventurer. A small time Islamist with a 56k internet, a Koran, and a grudge.

But seven years, two wars, torture camps*, and trillions of dollars - and this is what the US administration has to show for it's effort? A second rate adventurer?

* Not prisons. Not detention camps. Torture camps.

Originally Posted by BBC article

The White House said the trial was fair and looked forward to more tribunals.

If I were the White House I'd close Gitmo if only to save me from further embarrasment like this.

**Sarmatian** · 08-07-2008, 16:28

Originally Posted by BigTex

Comparing cold relations during proxy wars to a mad man's driver/bodyguard? Sorry, but that's a leap. You are completely disregarding prime motives during the cold war. The US administration was also removed by several levels of assiociation to what was going on compared to this man who was directly paid and worked directly for bin laden.

But don't let me interrupt here. Please let me hear how this man, a driver for a sociopathic terrorist, is compareable to US relations during the cold war.

Mad man definition and classification is open to debate. But I was trying to point out how entire logic of "guilty by association" is flawed. If we are to truly press that further, half the world's politicians would find themselves in jail. Well, there's a nice thought...

**BigTex** · 08-09-2008, 18:11

Originally Posted by Sarmatian

Mad man definition and classification is open to debate. But I was trying to point out how entire logic of "guilty by association" is flawed. If we are to truly press that further, half the world's politicians would find themselves in jail. Well, there's a nice thought...

The man isnt just "guilty of association" he has moved past association. He was working for Bin Laden, driving and apparently being a bodyguard on occasions. That's way beyond just assiociating with him, which is what he went to trial for.