terrorists beware

[Tribesman]

Jack Bauer would approve.

Yes , but the important question is does Paris Hilton approve ?

[LittleGrizzly]

You recognized that transporting scuds for use in terrorist activity was a criminal offense.

I was working off the basis he was just a driver, now it seems alot more reasonable, obviously i still don't agree with his detention in gauntanamo and assume that will count as time served ?

[ICantSpellDawg]

[B] that will count as time served ?

I believe that is the deal. It was determined by a military jury and will be appealed at the Pentagon. I support the decision.

[Andres]

Yes, let us all ignore the fact that the notion "fair trial" is at the least questionable in this case.

[PanzerJaeger]

Yes, let us all ignore the fact that the notion "fair trial" is at the least questionable in this case.

TBH, while your intentions are noble and your point does resonate, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone here in America who gives a damn what you - the international citizen - think about this. If you catch them in your country, happily send them off to the Hague; but America was attacked in one of the most vile and disgusting ways imaginable, and if and when we nab these guys, they will answer to American justice.

We have widely varying views on our relations with the international community on most issues including Kyoto, Iraq, and trade, and you’ll find that many Americans do not agree with the current administration’s "our way or the highway" approach, but I think there is a fairly strong consensus on this one..

[Tribesman]

TBH, while your intentions are noble and your point does resonate, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone here in America who gives a damn what you - the international citizen - think about this.

And that is where they screw up , because like it or not this wide ranging campaign to attempt to bring people from al-qaida to justice needs lots of international co-operation and you don't get much co-operation if people think you are acting like an ass .
Think about this .
If a country arrests some al-qaida operative and America wants them extradited , that country may have a legal requirement to block any extradition if there is any question about the fairness of the trial that will be conducted .
Not of course to forget mentioning the other legal aspect that if a country catches some big Al-qaida knob and America wants to execute the knob then the country may be legally obliged to block all attempts at extradition .
The whole thing about the farcical events surrounding Gitmo , kidnap , rendition , torture , secret prisons , detention without trial and fairness of the justice system is that it has actually weakened your ability to conduct opertions against those that you are supposed to be binging to justice .

[LittleGrizzly]

As i understand certain countries are not allowed to extradite people they believe will be tortured as well, though with the process of rendition it is a sneaky way around that, but how long do you think countries will just let you quietly take guys from our country with no legal proceedings ? (probably a bit longer but sooner or later people will get pissed off with it, and then you might find it is suddenly harder to extradite through legal means)

By all means ignore international opinion but that don't be surprised (or angry) when international opinion ignores you

[PanzerJaeger]

And that is where they screw up , because like it or not this wide ranging campaign to attempt to bring people from al-qaida to justice needs lots of international co-operation and you don't get much co-operation if people think you are acting like an ass .
Think about this .
If a country arrests some al-qaida operative and America wants them extradited , that country may have a legal requirement to block any extradition if there is any question about the fairness of the trial that will be conducted .
Not of course to forget mentioning the other legal aspect that if a country catches some big Al-qaida knob and America wants to execute the knob then the country may be legally obliged to block all attempts at extradition .
The whole thing about the farcical events surrounding Gitmo , kidnap , rendition , torture , secret prisons , detention without trial and fairness of the justice system is that it has actually weakened your ability to conduct opertions against those that you are supposed to be binging to justice .

I agree with you to a certain extent. Enhanced interrogation et al should have been kept far away from the prying eyes of the media or not done at all. I'm just saying that most Americans do not support sending these guys off to an international court for the same reasons Adres doesn't support them being tried here.. fairness.